The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

TrickyTree83

elantan wrote: »

Yes I did and laughed at the fact it was mainly signed by people living in Scotland ... but your indication that people like me have sown division just because we want to be the ones that make the political decisions for our country whilst you think the UK should leave the EU for the same reasons does make me laugh as well

Take yer anger and go and calm doon it cannae be right for you but not for us :rotfl:

How can wanting to be part of the trade arrangement with the EU but not the political union be equated with independence from the UK and submission to the EU?

They're completely different positions. Particularly once the EU moves to qualified majority voting.

TrickyTree83

This keeps getting lost in the posts, so I'm bumping it here:

Based on the evidence would you say that the meme, which was retweeted by SNP MP's, is wrong or is it correct? If you don't want to answer a blanket statement like this, there's some questions broken down for you below:

Does Scotland have borrowing powers? Yes/No

Does Scotland have the assets to sell, ad infinitum, to cover the yearly deficit? Yes/No

Does Scotland contribute to English projects as the meme claims? Yes/No

Does Scotland benefit from Barnett consequentials on the HS2 project? Yes/No

sss555s

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

You will never be able to generate 100% of your energy from wind because by it's very nature it's intermittent. You must have backup baselines otherwise the world you live in will turn to chaos.

Refrigeration. Home, commercial, medicine.

Life support, operating tables, traffic lights, chip and pin, contactless card payment, mobile phone signal. The list goes on and on.

You must have cast-iron guarantee that you can generate enough electricity to meet the baseline demands at any given time.

Wind will not give you that guarantee. Ask any expert you like.

I'm glad your an expert on this also.

Unfortunately you must have missed the fact that the latest technology in battery storage is already addressing your concerns by large stores or smaller stores in the home.

No one said 100% wind power.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

You will never be able to generate 100% of your energy from wind because by it's very nature it's intermittent. You must have backup baselines otherwise the world you live in will turn to chaos.

Refrigeration. Home, commercial, medicine.

Life support, operating tables, traffic lights, chip and pin, contactless card payment, mobile phone signal. The list goes on and on.

You must have cast-iron guarantee that you can generate enough electricity to meet the baseline demands at any given time.

Wind will not give you that guarantee. Ask any expert you like.

It's a mix of renewable energy the Scottish Govt is keen to get going with. And there is little doubt that in this area Westminster control is definitely holding developments in Scotland/UK back. Other countries have no such qualms when you see just how far Germany and Denmark have leapt forward in recent years. I remember debating this on the very first Scottish thread I was involved in here. *misty eyed memories*

10 August 2016

Scotland just produced enough wind energy to power it for an entire day

“This major moment was made possible thanks, in part, to many years of political support, which means that across the year now, renewables contribute well over half of our electricity needs. “However, if we want this ensure we reap the many benefits of becoming a low-carbon economy we need to see this political support for renewables continue.”


In May this year, renewable energy in Germany supplied almost all of the demand at a specific time of day, prompting power prices to turn negative during several 15-minute periods, meaning that consumers were being paid up to 50 euros (£43) per MWh to use electricity. Last year, wind energy supplied 140 per cent of demand in Denmark.

According to a new study by Bloomberg New Energy Finance (BNEF) last year, wind power generates the cheapest electricity in both the UK and Germany.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/scotland-wind-energy-renewable-power-electricity-wwf-scotland-a7183006.html

Full article at link.

elantan

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

How can wanting to be part of the trade arrangement with the EU but not the political union be equated with independence from the UK and submission to the EU?

They're completely different positions. Particularly once the EU moves to qualified majority voting.

Ohhh I don't know maybe Scotland wants to be part of a trade agreement but not a political union with rUK ? You are of course assuming in your second part that every indy supporter wants to remain in the EU ... now they are two very different things ... try not to muddy the waters I know u like to

TrickyTree83

sss555s wrote: »

I'm glad your an expert on this also.

Unfortunately you must have missed the fact that the latest technology in battery storage is already addressing your concerns by large stores or smaller stores in the home.

No one said 100% wind power.

Sorry about the late reply, had a call from my IFA.

It's extremely naive to think that battery systems can be placed everywhere and cover what you need.

I'm sorry if I do come across as an expert, I'm not, but I do live in the town where the National Grid HQ for controlling the electricity grid is and I've worked in the control centre.

A simple event such as an international football match causes massive headaches for energy provision, particularly in winter time and at half time when all the kettles get switched on, cliche but true. The demand is so high and runs throughout, 24 hours, 365 days, there is no end to the demand. So you need systems that are reliable with high uptime, redundant with disaster control, and flexible to give the extra power required when demand spikes for whatever reason.

Renewable and batteries will go some way to achieving a more acceptable balance of renewable v non-renewable energy generation, but you'll always need a system that is there that can produce the wattage required at any given time for however long it is required.

Simply put, in the modern age we have electrical systems that are too important to fail. So there must be energy generation that also cannot be allowed fail to deliver the required output. The National Grid control centre looks like the flight desk at NASA, it's beyond complex and certainly was not what I expected to see when I first walked in there. Coincidentally I now live next door to the building in a newbuild estate.

TrickyTree83

elantan wrote: »

Ohhh I don't know maybe Scotland wants to be part of a trade agreement but not a political union with rUK ? You are of course assuming in your second part that every indy supporter wants to remain in the EU ... now they are two very different things ... try not to muddy the waters I know u like to

I think you're confusing what Nicola Sturgeon has put on the table on your behalf with what you would like.

elantan

Once again you try to distract Tricky ... you are funny

TrickyTree83

elantan wrote: »

Once again you try to distract Tricky ... you are funny

How am I?

What is on offer from Nicola Sturgeon?

To me it looks like a referendum on independence if single market membership cannot be obtained with a view to remaining in the European Union.

That may not correlate with with what independence supporters may like or prefer but that is what is on offer.

This is precisely why I've been saying the question in 2014 is different to the next question that you will be asked. Perhaps no one read those posts I made either...

elantan

You are trying to convince people like me that it's OK for the rUK to want to govern itself but not the people of Scotland ...

That the rUK is better off with no political union with the EU but a trade agreement ... because the UK needs independence ... yet Scotland shouldn't want the same from rUK

Nicola is the FM of Scotland she does what we vote for her to do