The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

TrickyTree83

sss555s wrote: »

Wind in particular.

Is this just a points scoring thread for you?

Ok cool.

What are you going to do then when the wind doesn't blow?

Not a points scoring thread, I'm just shocked and dismayed and the lack of logic and reason displayed on here, and sadly, in society in general these days.

I don't call it points scoring when people are wrong and don't recognise that they're wrong.

I could support people who think the moon is made of cheese. I should be able to justify that belief with empirical evidence. I don't consider myself to live in a subjective reality where people can identify as a "non-binary" gender just because they believe it.

The SNP, and pro-independence supporters should be able to justify their claims and meme's.

If people can pick them apart and show them for what they really are, why do you support these memes?

It's a disgrace, an absolute disgrace that people will refuse to open their eyes to the truth which challenges their belief.

sss555s

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Renewable or wind in particular?

Since you're complaining about wind I wanted to clarify, need to make sure there's no way to squirm out of any response given.

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Ok cool.

What are you going to do then when the wind doesn't blow?

Is that seriously your answer that will make me squirm? :rotfl:

That shows how little you know of Scotland and is typical of your so called factual answers.

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Not a points scoring thread, I'm just shocked and dismayed and the lack of logic and reason displayed on here, and sadly, in society in general these days.

I don't call it points scoring when people are wrong and don't recognise that they're wrong.

I could support people who think the moon is made of cheese. I should be able to justify that belief with empirical evidence. I don't consider myself to live in a subjective reality where people can identify as a "non-binary" gender just because they believe it.

The SNP, and pro-independence supporters should be able to justify their claims and meme's.

If people can pick them apart and show them for what they really are, why do you support these memes?

It's a disgrace, an absolute disgrace that people will refuse to open their eyes to the truth which challenges their belief.

The exact same can be said to you :beer:
Scotland has everything to make it a successful small nation as much as any other similar sized country.

TrickyTree83

sss555s wrote: »

Is that seriously your answer that will make me squirm? :rotfl:

That shows how little you know of Scotland and is typical of your so called factual answers.




The exact same can be said to you :beer:
Scotland has everything to make it a successful small nation as much as any other similar sized country.

This is what I was saying about your posts earlier.

Look at the content I've been able to quote you on. Look at it.

There are no facts in there, you've not answered any questions, you've not presented any alternative evidence.

You just attack me and claim you're right, because, REASONS!

Well... you're not right.

You're incredibly wrong, you're arguments hold no water and do not stand up to scrutiny. You want to use wind farms to generate energy and sell it to the world. Without answering why this isn't already being done the world over for the very obvious reason that it's a variable output device.

Had you said tidal or hydro-electric I probably wouldn't have bothered with the point because tidal and hydro-electric can be harnessed in ways that give you a near constant baseline:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/may/18/portugal-runs-for-four-days-straight-on-renewable-energy-alone

But you said wind. I wanted you to say wind.

I think you should let Shakey take over now unless you're going to change your tune and actually engage with me rather than attack me.

I didn't want to make you squirm, again you've misread, or not read at all what I said. I wanted to be clear so that you couldn't squirm out of the stupidity.

Show's how little I know about Scotland? Is Scotland particularly special and unique in the world that the wind is completely predictable, that you can tell me the wind speed and direction on January 14th 2017? Or May 8th 2018? Or July 12th 2019?

kabayiri

Renewables is a great example of where soundbite politics should take a firm back seat, and pragmatic long term policy come to the fore.

Sure, you can build renewables in the form of wind turbines in Scotland. You could even generate power to sell to the rest of the UK.

But...how are you going to get the power there?

Consider this. The public, which populist politicians court so much, do not like pylons. Okay, fair enough. But going subterranean with power cables is TEN TIMES more expensive per mile than pylons.

One single subterranean section being planned in Cumbria on the coastline, is just 17 miles long, and will cost a cool £1.2 BILLION.

Now imagine scaling up the transmission cost from the remote parts of Scotland to the inconvenient places where most people live.

You are talking fortunes. We could be looking at more money spent on upgrading the grid than HS2 and HS3 combined.

Of course, if you are really smart, you could consider portable wind generators, like project Makani.
https://www.solveforx.com/makani/

Energy kites don't need to be based in Scotland or Wales. They tap into the place where wind is more consistent, which is the higher altitudes. They are portable.

Politicians, including Sturgeon, throw around these ideas like "renewables" as though it's a cure all to our problems. The reality is they aren't.

sss555s

kabayiri wrote: »

Renewables is a great example of where soundbite politics should take a firm back seat, and pragmatic long term policy come to the fore.

Sure, you can build renewables in the form of wind turbines in Scotland. You could even generate power to sell to the rest of the UK.

But...how are you going to get the power there?

Consider this. The public, which populist politicians court so much, do not like pylons. Okay, fair enough. But going subterranean with power cables is TEN TIMES more expensive per mile than pylons.

One single subterranean section being planned in Cumbria on the coastline, is just 17 miles long, and will cost a cool £1.2 BILLION.

Now imagine scaling up the transmission cost from the remote parts of Scotland to the inconvenient places where most people live.

You are talking fortunes. We could be looking at more money spent on upgrading the grid than HS2 and HS3 combined.

Of course, if you are really smart, you could consider portable wind generators, like project Makani.
https://www.solveforx.com/makani/

Energy kites don't need to be based in Scotland or Wales. They tap into the place where wind is more consistent, which is the higher altitudes. They are portable.

Politicians, including Sturgeon, throw around these ideas like "renewables" as though it's a cure all to our problems. The reality is they aren't.

I still think it's a good option for Scotland and far cheaper than nuclear in the long term. The Countries that run 100% renewable mostly use a lot of hydro, which is another good source in Scotland as Tricky points out.

The main point is that Scotland is better at deciding it's own future than being forced to follow Westminster's flavour of the month.


Edit*

Wind power is Scotland's fastest growing renewable energy technology, with 5328 MW of installed capacity as of March 2015. This includes 5131 MW of onshore wind and 197 MW of offshore wind. The Scottish Government has a target of generating 50% of Scotland's electricity from renewable energy by 2015, and 100% by 2020, which was raised from 50% in September 2010.[207] The majority of this is likely to come from wind power.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_the_United_Kingdom

Before Tricky jumps in and demands I prove it, I'm not 100% sure on the current state of those facts but you get the long term plan.

TrickyTree83

sss555s wrote: »

I still think it's a good option for Scotland and far cheaper than nuclear in the long term. The Countries that run 100% renewable mostly use a lot of hydro, which is another good source in Scotland as Tricky points out.

The main point is that Scotland is better at deciding it's own future than being forced to follow Westminster's flavour of the month.


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_the_United_Kingdom

Before Tricky jumps in and demands I prove it, I'm not 100% sure on the current state of those facts but you get the long term plan.

No that's fine.

I'll just point out that you're dong that in the Union. Where nasty Westminster controls all.

Quite clearly you don't need to be independent to generate your power from renewables as there's already a plan set out to achieve that as part of the UK.

sss555s

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

But you said wind. I wanted you to say wind.

I think you should let Shakey take over now unless you're going to change your tune and actually engage with me rather than attack me.

I didn't want to make you squirm, again you've misread, or not read at all what I said. I wanted to be clear so that you couldn't squirm out of the stupidity.

Show's how little I know about Scotland? Is Scotland particularly special and unique in the world that the wind is completely predictable, that you can tell me the wind speed and direction on January 14th 2017? Or May 8th 2018? Or July 12th 2019?

See my last post

elantan

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Have you?

Have you seen what some of the English are now saying about Scotland?

You may rejoice at it, I recoil.

The SNP, you, and others like you have successfully sown division in the union. So much so that some English are now calling for Scotland to be thrown out.

Both sides disgust me.

Yes I did and laughed at the fact it was mainly signed by people living in Scotland ... but your indication that people like me have sown division just because we want to be the ones that make the political decisions for our country whilst you think the UK should leave the EU for the same reasons does make me laugh as well

Take yer anger and go and calm doon it cannae be right for you but not for us :rotfl:

sss555s

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

No that's fine.

I'll just point out that you're dong that in the Union. Where nasty Westminster controls all.

Quite clearly you don't need to be independent to generate your power from renewables as there's already a plan set out to achieve that as part of the UK.

We're going round in circles now. Back to the point I made earlier on why Scotland can look after Scotland better...

In the UK, the ruling Conservative government is opposed to further onshore wind turbines, and has cancelled subsidies for new onshore wind turbines from April 2016.[189] The former prime minister David Cameron has stated that “We will halt the spread of onshore wind farms",[190] and had previously claimed that "People are fed up with onshore wind" though polls of public opinion showed the converse.[191] The wind power industry has claimed that the policy will increase electricity prices for consumers as onshore wind is one of the cheapest power technologies,[190] although the government disputes this,[189] and it is estimated that 2,500 turbines will not now be built.[189] Questions have been raised about whether the country will now meet its renewable obligations, as Committee on Climate Change has stated that 25GW of onshore wind may be needed by 2030.

TrickyTree83

sss555s wrote: »

See my last post

You will never be able to generate 100% of your energy from wind because by it's very nature it's intermittent. You must have backup baselines otherwise the world you live in will turn to chaos.

Refrigeration. Home, commercial, medicine.

Life support, operating tables, traffic lights, chip and pin, contactless card payment, mobile phone signal. The list goes on and on.

You must have cast-iron guarantee that you can generate enough electricity to meet the baseline demands at any given time.

Wind will not give you that guarantee. Ask any expert you like.