The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

sss555s

kabayiri wrote: »

I disagree.



rUK would also need to reposition itself to take full advantage of any opportunities which arose. We could sell iScotland things like DVLA services for example, and make a healthy profit. iScotland could lease parts of our embassies, again for a healthy profit. An annual charge for defense would remove the need for Scotland to spend heavily on new equipment.

If done correctly, rUK could profit well from Scottish independence in the mid-term.

I'd feel much better with us selling services to each other, it would make things far clearer.

Scotland would get paid for the water it supplies, renewable energy (which Westminster has de-incentivised) and Faslane, to name a few.

wotsthat

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

But she wouldn't be able to print the money so she would have to somehow buy it, how would she do that.

Decent thread here started by Generali.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/66415068#Comment_66415068

A well thought out and argued case for the Scottish Groat.

TrickyTree83

sss555s wrote: »

I'd feel much better with us selling services to each other, it would make things far clearer.

Scotland would get paid for the water it supplies, renewable energy (which Westminster has de-incentivised) and Faslane, to name a few.

Back up those claims.

sss555s

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Read up. I can't do that for you.

I've read your posts but just see you quoting fiction, and your own biased views.

You giving your opinion about Scotland is like me giving my opinion about London. I can watch the news, I can read the internet, I have been many times but I don't live it day in day out.

Conrad

Light bulb moment for me;


Sturgeon demands soft brexit.


May fully intends to deliver practical brexit, meaning full access to SM (obviously), and will obviously allow some EU immigration


This is just.....'brexit' (no such thing as soft or hard)


Queen Nicola claims victory for having 'ensured' Mrs May retained SM access and sensible immigration.




She can't lose.

Conrad

I don't know if The Scotsman is representative of Scots sentiment generally, but I've tracked reader comments under Brexit articles for the last month and the proportion of comments in favour of independence is about 1:5. If you doubt this, check the comments below a FEW (not just one) Brexit articles

TrickyTree83

sss555s wrote: »

I've read your posts but just see you quoting fiction, and your own biased views.

You giving your opinion about Scotland is like me giving my opinion about London. I can watch the news, I can read the internet, I have been many times but I don't live it day in day out.

What absolute rubbish.

It's not my opinion, it's information from gov.scot, information from the Wytepaper (a Scottish person, living in Scotland) and information from legislation.gov.uk.

You've clearly not read it.

And now you look bloody stupid, go back and read it, try again.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Excellent.

Firstly the page you cite to disprove his claim that borrowing powers were extended in 2012 and 2016 was published in 2011.

http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Government/Finance/spfm/borrowingetc

You will however note that as part of the Scotland Act 2012 he is indeed correct that new powers were given to enable Scottish ministers to borrow up to £2.2bn for capital purposes and £500m for revenue capped at £200m for a particular year. This came into force in 2015-2016.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2012/11/section/32/enacted

http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2013/04/5026/3

That's a gov.scot website, so if they're so trustworthy it must be correct. Right?

Ok that's out of the way.

You've been rather selective with his words. And that distorts the argument he's making, and makes the outdated Scottish government link you posted look as though it's correct and he is wrong.

What he said was this:



Which is what everyone has been trying to tell you for quite some time now.

If I personally spend more than I earn, I have a deficit. If my wife spends more than she earns, she has a deficit. If we both spend more than we earn, we both have a deficit, but I'm not in control of what she borrows on behalf of the household.

In the same way Westminster do indeed borrow on Holyrood's behalf, however Holyrood doesn't turn around and say "no we're not spending it because we can't afford it.", they gleefully spend it on populist programmes. They are therefore complicit in the spending of money we do not have. So when looking at Scotland in isolation and the money they spend versus the money they earn, there is indeed a deficit between the two.

It's just maths. There's nothing deceitful or bias about it.

It's 2.2 billion in total not per year. And you've proven Whytepaper's bias yourself. Because this has all only been in force for ONE year so far. Until then the Scottish Govt had no borrowing powers at all and had to balance the books or underspend. Yet he's twittering on and on about the SNP bumping up huge a deficit. Making it sound like all this has been the case since at least 2012.

Like I said, the blog isn't very good. Misleading at best. Still, some people are only too happy to be lead up the garden path I suppose.

.string.

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

The petition has moved here.

http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=132687

Look at the petition map.

Division and hate.

I didn't follow the meaning of that map - Does it show that most of the signatures come from Scotland - is it an SNP ruse?

Shakethedisease

Conrad wrote: »

I don't know if The Scotsman is representative of Scots sentiment generally, but I've tracked reader comments under Brexit articles for the last month and the proportion of comments in favour of independence is about 1:5. If you doubt this, check the comments below a FEW (not just one) Brexit articles

No it's not. Please do not use this to gauge Scottish public opinion. The Herald is far more representative of general views with the comments underneath. Or even any Guardian article on Scottish issues. The Scotsman is dying on it's a**e because their comments sections have been over run by lots of people reliving 19th Sept over and over again.

Reddit Scotland is also very good.