The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Who knows. But what I do know, and from everything we've heard so far. Is that the Scottish Govt aren't going to hang about waiting to be negotiated out of the EU while they just sit by and let Westminster do it. So logically for them they will have to call a referendum (if it's a hard brexit) before that happens. It's the only point of putting it on the table so soon after the last one in the first place.

I would assume that the EU negotiators will be kept well informed of any Scottish Govt plans. Sturgeon hasn't exactly been playing her cards close to her chest.

yes another vile english insult to the people of scotland (well to Nicola, well imaged by Nicola)

but... the polls don't seem to show 60% for iscotland

TrickyTree83

Still not one to example of bias in statistics from the Whytepaper blog.

Can we agree it's accurate and discuss it's content?

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

Do you remember the story "Crying Wolf"?

Your heroine has done the same thing time after time after time after time ad nausea.

She makes unrealistic demands which she knows (unless she is stupid which I doubt) cannot be met, waits for them to be unrealised and then launches into a prepared whinge about how Scotland has been let down and that the case for Independence has been proven.

Everybody knows this. I know it, you know it and, much more importantly Scottish voters know it.

Another non-existing wolf appears on the horizon. Can hardly wait ... Yawn.

At least she has a plan.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Still not one to example of bias in statistics from the Whytepaper blog.

Can we agree it's accurate and discuss it's content?

Sure, shot me a private message and we can discuss the merits of various blogs and individual articles for and against independence there.

Or else you could just post a whytepaper article up, then I'll put a Wings one up to counter it, then you do Kevin Hague and I'll do Bella or Bateman and we can kill off the entire thread that way ? Whytepaper is an anti-SNP blog pure and simple.

Briefly then, I started off as a “soft” No vote: arriving at this decision from a standpoint of general apathy for politics; ignorance of many of the arguments from either side but a general, and somewhat irrational, dislike of Alex Salmond and the SNP; and a fervent, and absolutely rational, dislike of nationalism.

I could point you to Scottish Labour's 'LabourHame' and you'd find exactly the same stuff there too. Only they update more often and the comments underneath are often far more interesting.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Sure, shot me a private message and we can discuss the merits of various blogs and individual articles for and against independence there.

Or else you could just post a whytepaper article up, then I'll put a Wings one up to counter it, then you do Kevin Hague and I'll do Bella or Bateman and we can kill off the entire thread that way ? Whytepaper is an anti-SNP blog pure and simple.
I could point you to Scottish Labour's 'LabourHame' and you'd find exactly the same stuff there too. Only they update more often and the comments underneath are often far more interesting.

I'm only asking for one.

One measly little quote from one article to prove that he's bias and not factually correct.

Doesn't have to be the full article, just one alleged factoid.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

At least she has a plan.

what is her plan for which currency to use in the event of iscotland?

why don't she tell the people of scotland?

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I'm only asking for one.

One measly little quote from one article to prove that he's bias and not factually correct.

Doesn't have to be the full article, just one alleged factoid.

Sigh. The very first and most recent article in the one of the first paragraphs I read.

Scotland has no deficit

Pointless sophistry. Holyrood does have borrowing powers, extended through the Scotland Acts 2012 and 2016

https://whytepaper.wordpress.com/2016/10/17/meme-busting-deficit-drivel/

. Scottish Ministers currently have no powers to raise extra resources by borrowing or sanctioning borrowing. Scottish Ministers possess specific and general powers to lend money but any lending should be out of resources authorised by the Parliament by Budget Act and subject, normally, to the existence of specific statutory authority.

6. Scottish Ministers currently* have no powers to raise extra resources by borrowing or sanctioning borrowing. They may borrow sums from the Secretary of State for Scotland in accordance with section 66 of the Scotland Act 1998 but only to meet temporary shortfalls of cash, or to provide a working balance in the Scottish Consolidated Fund (SCF).

*Amendments to the Scotland Act 1998 that would allow the Scottish Ministers to borrow up to an aggregate of £2.2 billion for the purpose of meeting capital expenditure have not yet been commenced

http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Government/Finance/spfm/borrowingetc

The 2016 amendments aren't in force till next year.

In other words, the blog's a little bit biased and missing out information that is very much related, and in fact central to the issue he's discussing. He glosses over this completely as if the Scottish Govt is borrowing like mad producing deficits. But he has his facts totally wrong. As well as Scotland Acts and what's in force currently for Holyrood regarding borrowing. Any reader of Wings or serious follower of Scottish politics in terms of what the recent Fiscal Framework back and forths early this year were about would have known this straight away.

Try another blog if you want balance. This one is not very good and anti-SNP to the point he blogs about borrowing powers that Holyrood currently does not have.

We can draw a line under this now, and agree that anyone can write any old crap on the internet and call it fact when it suits.

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

what is her plan for which currency to use in the event of iscotland?

why don't she tell the people of scotland?

She's not going to provide a running commentary.

Moto2

Are the SNP still cuddling up to the Catalans?

wotsthat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

She's not going to provide a running commentary.

Sterling, Euro or the Groat - every answer makes her look a fool.

it's sterling - she just doesn't know how or when to break it to you.