The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

All of them.

Yawn. One sided and a point made for the sake of saying it. Take what you like from Hague and Whytepaper. But don't try and sell nonsense that either of them is any less biased than Wings over Scotland is when it comes to putting across their OWN view and spin on things.

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lol

Are you serious?

I think this would be the first time I've seen you concede in such a manner.

Even you know what you just said isn't an argument.

I asked for one, just one specific example. If all of it is conclusively bias statistics then you could have picked anything. The first link on the home page.

Then I could have picked it apart with you and gotten to the bottom of this truly ROTTEN CONSPIRACY!!!

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Defining "we" as those who share his views. Conclusively proved to be less than half of Scotland.

Not in popularity or satisfaction ratings as far as Salmond was concerned. We really did quite like him.

TrickyTree83

Bloody hell, I have to go to the gym. I was really enjoying this as well.

It was a good laugh, catch you later.

I'll pick up on the point about Slamond and anything else that happens between now and then.

Good luck!

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

!!!!!!

lol

Are you serious?

I think this would be the first time I've seen you concede in such a manner.

Even you know what you just said isn't an argument.

I asked for one, just one specific example. If all of it is conclusively bias statistics then you could have picked anything. The first link on the home page.

Then I could have picked it apart with you and gotten to the bottom of this truly ROTTEN CONSPIRACY!!!

Yes, why I don't I simply start posting Wings articles at you and ask you to go and disprove them. The point is that Wings, Hague and other bloggers are all biased one way or the other. You trying to say it's only SNP and indy supporters that are denies basic realities.

I read them all regardless.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Not in popularity or satisfaction ratings as far as Salmond was concerned. We really did quite like him.

Is that poll correct?

Salmond resigned on 18 Nov 2014.

Looks like that was done in May 2015.

kabayiri

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

She cannot know the options that are available to Scotland because negotiations have not begun let alone concluded. I expect she'll be told exactly that. A big fat slap in the face with reality.

The Brexit negotiations are bound to churn up a whole load of paperwork. Everything will be documented.

Relatively minor side topics will be used as bargaining chips for a stake in more significant matters I suspect.

There will be a lot of hot air pronounced by various European leaders, especially when they have local elections and need to play to the gallery.

How on earth do you digest all this into a hard/soft judgement?

Shakethedisease

antrobus wrote: »

The UK voted to leave the EU. There are no regional opt-outs.
An election is not a referendum.

No, he said that Scotland could not share the pound. And it wasn't just him, it was everybody.

No, that's what you hope might happen.It's not a position, it's kite flying. If the UK leaves the EU, so will Scotland. The SNP is simply using as a justification to hold another referendum in the hope they can get a different result than the last one.

Sturgeon has no options. Brexit is a matter for the UK alone.

The SNP put one in their May manifesto.

The polls started turning upwards for independence support immediately afterwards when Osborne visited Scotland. This is a matter of record, please go and have a look yourself. I wasn't debating the rights and wrongs of it.

An election on an independence manifesto with a mandate to seek to open negotiations with Westminster regarding independence. And a majority votes for that in Scotland ? What would you call it ?

No that's what Ruth Davidson has said will happen and why she recently urged Westminster not to refuse or block another referendum.

It IS the Scottish Governments position. And it's been the Scottish Governments position since the EU referendum was called. Sturgeon/SNP/Scottish Greens have never moved from it. Neither have they ever indicated that they'll just sit about twiddling thumbs until negotiations are complete between UK/EU. If you can provide any evidence that this is what they've said they'll do then feel free. But their position is to keep Scotland within the Single market among other red lines. They've stuck to that rigidly, as well as putting an indy ref back on the table if it's the last resort to make sure of it.

As above. Independence referendum. Scotland no longer part of Article 50.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Is that poll correct?

Salmond resigned on 18 Nov 2014.

Looks like that was done in May 2015.

The date on the article is 3rd November 2014. Salmond topped popularity and satisfaction ratings up here for years.

A recently released poll by Ipsos Mori shows Alex Salmond, the current First Minister of Scotland, and his deputy Nicola Sturgeon achieving significantly higher approval ratings than the leaders of the three main Westminster parties in Scotland, continuing a trend seen during the independence referendum.

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

Just so I understand you clearly.

You are saying if that during these negotiations those outside get wind of things not going so well, that you expect Sturgeon to see this as a mandate to trigger an instant referendum?

Whilst this Scottish referendum takes place, what should the UK and EU negotiators do? Halt? Proceed as normal?

What if certain European states see this internal conflict as an opportunity to push their own Brexit agenda?

I can well imagine the Brexit process being tricky, but what you envisage makes it a darn sight more complicated.

Who knows. But what I do know, and from everything we've heard so far. Is that the Scottish Govt aren't going to hang about waiting to be negotiated out of the EU while they just sit by and let Westminster do it. So logically for them they will have to call a referendum (if it's a hard brexit) before that happens. It's the only point of putting it on the table so soon after the last one in the first place.

I would assume that the EU negotiators will be kept well informed of any Scottish Govt plans. Sturgeon hasn't exactly been playing her cards close to her chest.

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

See above. Sturgeon is going to put May on the spot regarding Scotland well before negotiations even start.

Do you remember the story "Crying Wolf"?

Your heroine has done the same thing time after time after time after time ad nausea.

She makes unrealistic demands which she knows (unless she is stupid which I doubt) cannot be met, waits for them to be unrealised and then launches into a prepared whinge about how Scotland has been let down and that the case for Independence has been proven.

Everybody knows this. I know it, you know it and, much more importantly Scottish voters know it.

Another non-existing wolf appears on the horizon. Can hardly wait ... Yawn.