The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

wotsthat

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

But if she used Sterling Scotland would not be financially independent. Sterling is the currency of the UK and controlled by the Bank of England. And she would need permission to continue using Sterling, I would be very surprised if that was forthcoming.

The question of the currency that would be used is a VERY big one, one that she sidesteps at every turn. If you were to be allowed to join the EU you would be forced to use the Euro once the conditions had been fulfilled, so you either stay broke or become prosperous and get hoiked into the Euro, which would then break you.

They could use the US$ if they wished - no permission from the USA would be required but they'd have to accept that the FED would make decisions in the best interests of the USA with no consideration to Scotland. Same with sterling or even the Euro.

Using a currency is different to joining a currency union.

Whatever choice is made (if it ever needs to be made) the nationalists will be arguing it's the best idea since sliced bread.

CLAPTON

sss555s wrote: »

Nicola has said that her next move depends on what May does, though she is probably preparing for all eventualities in the back ground.

I just hope she is ready for all the (Westminster run) media dirty tricks, lies and manipulation that would lay ahead if the right step was to hold another referendum.

but in the mean time Nicola could trust the people of scotland and let them know which currency (etc.) they will be using when iscotland

TrickyTree83

sss555s wrote: »

Is that Maggie Thatcher, Theresa May or both?

It looks like you like sum everything up in a tainted story where you can predict every turn, twist and final outcome.

Anyone with sense knows that can never be accurate in real life.




Tricky, you post the most non factual guff and [STRIKE]opinions[/STRIKE] wishes for the future of Scotland when you have no idea of the history of, or what it's like to live in Scotland. You have already admitted your here to try and stop Scotland leaving the UK for the better of England.

Surely it should be up to you to convince someone with a vote that your view is correct for [STRIKE]England[/STRIKE] Scotland rather than them having to keep trying to convince you.

Nicola has said that her next move depends on what May does, though she is probably preparing for all eventualities in the back ground.

I just hope she is ready for all the (Westminster run) media dirty tricks, lies and manipulation that would lay ahead if the right step was to hold another referendum.

Show everyone where I'm wrong then?

I've asked you to do this 3 or 4 times now, you never do.

You just constantly berate me instead of debating me, possibly because you can't?

Come on. I wait for your well thought out and measured response with baited breath....

Edit: I'm trying to convince you that you're being lied to. Constantly, by yourselves and others who are like minded.

I'm just talking facts, as proved in my last exchange with Shakey where an article published in 2011 cannot be used to justify that position when amendments since have shown that the original wyhtepaper article is indeed correct and that the evidence against is completely wrong. It's not me resorting to guff.

Enterprise_1701C

wotsthat wrote: »

They could use the US$ if they wished - no permission from the USA would be required but they'd have to accept that the FED would make decisions in the best interests of the USA with no consideration to Scotland. Same with sterling or even the Euro.

Using a currency is different to joining a currency union.

Whatever choice is made (if it ever needs to be made) the nationalists will be arguing it's the best idea since sliced bread.

But she wouldn't be able to print the money so she would have to somehow buy it, how would she do that.

wotsthat

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

But she wouldn't be able to print the money so she would have to somehow buy it, how would she do that.

Scotland apparently doesn't have a deficit so they'd be able to sell their products in £, $ or € and things would balance out. Or they could borrow it - who wouldn't want to lend Scotland money once the SNP got their hands on all the levers?

It's a nonsense I know.

kabayiri

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

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The question of the currency that would be used is a VERY big one, one that she sidesteps at every turn. If you were to be allowed to join the EU you would be forced to use the Euro once the conditions had been fulfilled, so you either stay broke or become prosperous and get hoiked into the Euro, which would then break you.

I disagree.

I think Scotland would indeed be heavily encouraged to join the Euro.

But perhaps a bit of fiscal constraint imposed by the EU would not be so bad for Scotland long term.

It would spell an end to the socialist agenda though. Paying for things like education and medicine would become similar to a place like Eire.

There is nothing intrinsically wrong in paying out more for autonomy, as long as the people accept the trade offs.

rUK would also need to reposition itself to take full advantage of any opportunities which arose. We could sell iScotland things like DVLA services for example, and make a healthy profit. iScotland could lease parts of our embassies, again for a healthy profit. An annual charge for defense would remove the need for Scotland to spend heavily on new equipment.

If done correctly, rUK could profit well from Scottish independence in the mid-term.

TrickyTree83

elantan wrote: »

Have you even had a look at it ?

Funnily enough the racist attacks have thankfully lessened here in Scotland since Brexit ... how's it doing down your way again ?.

The petition has moved here.

http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=132687

Look at the petition map.

Division and hate.

sss555s

CLAPTON wrote: »

but in the mean time Nicola could trust the people of scotland and let them know which currency (etc.) they will be using when iscotland

That's a non point when there hasn't even been a referendum called.
You know that but you still constantly ask this question and your not going to get an answer until later in the process.

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Show everyone where I'm wrong then?


I'm just talking facts

Show me these facts?

TrickyTree83

sss555s wrote: »

Show me these facts?

Read up. I can't do that for you.

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Or try the blue arrow next to my handle above this section of text.

Enterprise_1701C

kabayiri wrote: »

I disagree.

I think Scotland would indeed be heavily encouraged to join the Euro.

But perhaps a bit of fiscal constraint imposed by the EU would not be so bad for Scotland long term.

It would spell an end to the socialist agenda though. Paying for things like education and medicine would become similar to a place like Eire.

There is nothing intrinsically wrong in paying out more for autonomy, as long as the people accept the trade offs.

rUK would also need to reposition itself to take full advantage of any opportunities which arose. We could sell iScotland things like DVLA services for example, and make a healthy profit. iScotland could lease parts of our embassies, again for a healthy profit. An annual charge for defense would remove the need for Scotland to spend heavily on new equipment.

If done correctly, rUK could profit well from Scottish independence in the mid-term.

I like what you are saying. Basically we would still control Scotland in a minor way but in the background.

Still not independence though, especially once they disappear into the background in the EU.