The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

mollycat

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

It's the "them and us" mentality. It has seeped into every orifice of SNP politics. Disguised as moral internationalism denigrating the citizens of the [STRIKE]rest of the[/STRIKE] UK who voted to leave as immoral and isolationist.

Divisive.

They have even divided Scotland, it's all around you. The divisiveness is embedded. Not only do you have Remainers and Leavers, but pro-Independence and pro-Unionist. The SNP are now antagonising two groups of people across Scotland and the rest of the UK. I believe that Remainers are not necessarily pro-Independence, although clearly the SNP do, possibly to their detriment.

http://www.snp.org/if_you_re_voting_with_independence_in_mind_this_thursday_vote_remain

Exactly. Most people I spend time with voted NO and REMAIN.

None of the "losing" remainers would change to yes despite Ms Sturgeon's protestations to the contrary.

IMHO most NO/REMAIN voters care more about staying in the UK than they do in the EU.

elantan

And as an wee side note my experience is different ... goes to show you we really shouldn't try and predict anything

TrickyTree83

elantan wrote: »

And as an wee side note my experience is different ... goes to show you we really shouldn't try and predict anything

Sure, that's understandable.

But when one side talks about Whiskey Export Duty, Assets vs Debts, $150+ for a barrel oil, non-identifiable spending and many other things as real as Puff The Magic Dragon. And the other side talks of statistics from GERS, the IFS, and the Scottish government themselves (!!).

Being brutally honest with yourself and us, which side is inside an echo chamber of delusion where like minded individuals convince other like minded individuals that their ideas are not obscene?

Recently Shakey was on here trotting out the latest line in SNP / pro-Indy propaganda.

I'm guessing Shakey, yourself and probably a million other pro-Indy supporters haven't balanced your view and read anything like this:

https://whytepaper.wordpress.com/2016/10/17/meme-busting-deficit-drivel/

The SNP actively promote such narratives, do they retract when it's debunked? No.

It is propaganda, of the worst kind, it exists to serve one purpose and it's not for your benefit or that of your children or theirs.

TrickyTree83

Perhaps to lighten the tone of the thread a bit.

It's amusing and also quite damning when you see the time stamp in the bottom left of the first clip only move just over 10 minutes yet she must have mentioned those words nearly 50 times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8eVeCoyWqg

When the majority of your electorate do not support independence, is this an acceptable way to represent them?

Shakethedisease

antrobus wrote: »

Again. So what?

YouGov's latest Scotland survey finding just 37% of Scots backing a second independence referendum and 50% opposed. Should they be successful in forcing another vote, the results would be almost identical to last time, with 54% of Scots voting against independence and 46% in favour.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/09/01/davidson-now-more-popular-sturgeon-scotland/

All that means is that you are desperately hoping that Sturgeon's latest kite flying might have changed things.

Nope. You seem to get fed a lot of this stuff down south about poll headlines. Swallow it whole too. You should dig a little deeper into those numbers.

Of course. Do you not understand that things like the Constitution, Foreign Policy, Trade and Indusry are Reserved Matters which "remain the responsibility of the UK Parliament alone".

http://www.parliament.scot/visitandlearn/education/18642.aspx

Stuegeon is entitled to express whatever opinion she likes on issues such as EU membership, but neither she nor the Scottish parliament has any role to play in the Brexit negotiations

I am sorry. But from your tone it seems like you are of the opinion that neither Scotland, NI or Wales and their leaders should have any involvement or 'role to play' in these Brexit talks. Which of course... leaves only England.

There are a great many devolved matters which Brexit will affect and change. The devolved leaders absolutely need to be involved and their suggestions and input respected and taken seriously. Otherwise you're saying that it's an English only issue and that everyone else should be ignored even when it affects their devolved remits massively.

Is that what you're saying ?

islandannie

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Perhaps to lighten the tone of the thread a bit.

It's amusing and also quite damning when you see the time stamp in the bottom left of the first clip only move just over 10 minutes yet she must have mentioned those words nearly 50 times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8eVeCoyWqg

When the majority of your electorate do not support independence, is this an acceptable way to represent them?

Is their any hope left, I truly despair for my country when we are led by such an ill informed fanatic.
What a shambles, she has no sense of reason and cares for nobody in Scotland apart from the cultist followers who would see us destroyed merely to get rid of the hated English.

She has to be stopped by any reasonable means.

Shakethedisease

antrobus wrote: »

She can't be central to UK-wide negotiations, because we have a UK government and parliament that has the sole responsibility for such things.

Any body can have 'input' to the negotiations. No doubt there will be 'consultations'. But the idea that Scotland (for example) has some kind of veto over Brexit, or is capable of some kind of separate deal is pure nonsense.

She doesn't want a veto over Brexit. England and Wales are free to go if they like. But unless May is for staying in the single market, or do a deal whereby Scotland does. Then it'll be a referendum before the UK leaves the EU.

May won't have a say in the matter and Sturgeon can point out she explored and tried everything first before calling it.

Shakethedisease

islandannie wrote: »

She has to be stopped by any reasonable means.

I'm afraid plain old fashioned democracy and the ballot box is well against you on that one.

mollycat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I'm afraid plain old fashioned democracy and the ballot box is well against you on that one.

Pot/kettle here I think.

Are you accepting of the democratic will of Scot's after the 2014 Independence referendum?

Are you accepting the will of the UK electorate after the 2016 EU referendum?

Thought not.

mrginge

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I am sorry. But from your tone it seems like you are of the opinion that neither Scotland, NI or Wales and their leaders should have any involvement or 'role to play' in these Brexit talks. Which of course... leaves only England.

Interesting.
Who is representing England in these talks?