The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

mollycat

islandannie wrote: »

Well I,m sorry to disappoint you.
But we voted overwhelmingly to remain in the union.
The 2014 once in a lifetime referendum is being expunged from history by the sore nationalist losers.
Anti democratic about the Scottish union referendum and anti democratic about the UK Brexit referendum.
I think we are getting close to a position where the Scottish parliament should be suspended until the Brexit negotiations are concluded.

Hear, Hear!!:)

You know, it's only people who actually live here who appreciate what a thoroughly unpleasant place this was to live during the referendum campaign.....

....except the indy-nuts who thrive on that kind of division!

TrickyTree83

elantan wrote: »

I've quite fancied the EFTA position for Scotland for a few years myself ... would be nice if it happened ... after indy of course

You started off so promising.

The UK as it is now in EFTA would be a cracking outcome.

We'll all enjoy the benefits of this.

Is there any chance for an independence referendum if the UK remains in EFTA? Doesn't look like it unless full fat EU is the aim.

Sensibly though, there really isn't any scenario in which an independent Scotland would be considered 'better off'. The integration with the UK is too far reaching and too beneficial to Scotland. Expand your mind to all the things in Scotland which benefit from UK wide funding, nature, conservation, farming, UK government employment, MoD employment, large service sector business selling primarily into the rUK market and many other sectors, charities and causes.

It really is silly and is the product of divisive ideologue rhetoric, it's myopic and closed, it does not consider anything objectively. The only thing it considers is the fact that you voted SNP and that they now portray Scotland as different to the rest of the UK rather than a part of it, constantly. They antagonise constantly, they cause and sow division to enhance their myth in the hope it leads to eventual collapse of rUK Scotland relations and to some degree they are succeeding in this aim.

A self-fulfilling prophecy perpetrated by a cult-like political party where only one view, an independent Scotland, is the answer. Not a million miles from UKIP where Brexit was the answer. If they truly were for what is best for Scotland you would hear them speak about the importance of the rUK market. You would see them addressing issues they face in the day to day running of Scotland with a higher spend per capita than the rest of the country instead of trying to say they can't deal with it because it's the fault of Westminster.

You've been brainwashed, indoctrinated, fooled, duped by nationalist rhetoric. Similarly to those who vote UKIP, another comparable single issue party. For UKIP immigration is the root cause of most of the UK's problems, for SNP Scotland, the UK is the root cause of most of Scotland's problems. To any reasonable, rational, logical person they would accurately tar the SNP with the same brush as UKIP - divisive. And yet the SNP portray themselves as pious and righteous despite the evidence to the contrary that they are duplicitous.

mollycat

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

You started off so promising.

The UK as it is now in EFTA would be a cracking outcome.

We'll all enjoy the benefits of this.

Is there any chance for an independence referendum if the UK remains in EFTA? Doesn't look like it unless full fat EU is the aim.

Sensibly though, there really isn't any scenario in which an independent Scotland would be considered 'better off'. The integration with the UK is too far reaching and too beneficial to Scotland. Expand your mind to all the things in Scotland which benefit from UK wide funding, nature, conservation, farming, UK government employment, MoD employment, large service sector business selling primarily into the rUK market and many other sectors, charities and causes.

It really is silly and is the product of divisive ideologue rhetoric, it's myopic and closed, it does not consider anything objectively. The only thing it considers is the fact that you voted SNP and that they now portray Scotland as different to the rest of the UK rather than a part of it, constantly. They antagonise constantly, they cause and sow division to enhance their myth in the hope it leads to eventual collapse of rUK Scotland relations and to some degree they are succeeding in this aim.

A self-fulfilling prophecy perpetrated by a cult-like political party where only one view, an independent Scotland, is the answer. Not a million miles from UKIP where Brexit was the answer. If they truly were for what is best for Scotland you would hear them speak about the importance of the rUK market. You would see them addressing issues they face in the day to day running of Scotland with a higher spend per capita than the rest of the country instead of trying to say they can't deal with it because it's Westminster's fault.

You've been brainwashed, indoctrinated, fooled, duped by nationalist rhetoric. Similarly to those who vote UKIP, another comparable single issue party. For UKIP immigration is the root cause of most of the UK's problems, for Scotland, the UK is the root cause of most of Scotland's problems. To any reasonable, rational, logical person they would accurately tar the SNP with the same brush as UKIP - divisive. And yet they portray themselves as pious and righteous despite the evidence to the contrary that they are duplicitous.

Great post!

The last paragraph is a brilliant insight into the mindset/functioning of the SNP nationalist.

elantan

I have no problem with the UK being in EFTA ... but I am very aware two countries in the UK chose out ... I think it would be very disrespectful to force an EFTA style arrangement on two countries that voted out ... unless your suggesting that another country should force a country into a position they chose not to be in ?

Scolander voted in, EFTA is no a bad wee compromise

mollycat

elantan wrote: »

I have no problem with the UK being in EFTA ... but I am very aware two countries in the UK chose out ... I think it would be very disrespectful to force an EFTA style arrangement on two countries that voted out ... unless your suggesting that another country should force a country into a position they chose not to be in ?

Scolander voted in, EFTA is no a bad wee compromise

It was a UK WIDE REFERENDUM!!

The UK is the country.

What, for the love of @@@@ is so difficult for people to understand!?

wotsthat

elantan wrote: »

I have no problem with the UK being in EFTA ... but I am very aware two countries in the UK chose out ... I think it would be very disrespectful to force an EFTA style arrangement on two countries that voted out ... unless your suggesting that another country should force a country into a position they chose not to be in ?

Scolander voted in, EFTA is no a bad wee compromise

If Scotland were independent she could attempt to proceed as she wishes. Of course the big problem is that, despite all these oh so big divisions between Scotland and the UK, Scots can't be persuaded to support independence even in opinion polls.

No big poll leads - no referendum.

The clock's ticking for the SNP. If people aren't interested in independence they'll stop voting for a single issue party.

TrickyTree83

mollycat wrote: »

It was a UK WIDE REFERENDUM!!

The UK is the country.

What, for the love of @@@@ is so difficult for people to understand!?

It's the "them and us" mentality. It has seeped into every orifice of SNP politics. Disguised as moral internationalism denigrating the citizens of the [STRIKE]rest of the[/STRIKE] UK who voted to leave as immoral and isolationist.

Divisive.

They have even divided Scotland, it's all around you. The divisiveness is embedded. Not only do you have Remainers and Leavers, but pro-Independence and pro-Unionist. The SNP are now antagonising two groups of people across Scotland and the rest of the UK. I believe that Remainers are not necessarily pro-Independence, although clearly the SNP do, possibly to their detriment.

http://www.snp.org/if_you_re_voting_with_independence_in_mind_this_thursday_vote_remain

elantan

So my understanding is that you believe England isn't a country ? Neither is Scotland ? Ireland or Wales


The UK is a political union of 4 countries GB a union of 3 ... did you not know this ?

CLAPTON

elantan wrote: »

So my understanding is that you believe England isn't a country ? Neither is Scotland ? Ireland or Wales


The UK is a political union of 4 countries GB a union of 3 ... did you not know this ?

non sovereign countries are merely geographic regions of a sovereign country
OK they are useful devices for Nationalist to stir up hatred where none would overwise exist and so beloved by nationalist socialists.

islandannie

elantan wrote: »

I have no problem with the UK being in EFTA ... but I am very aware two countries in the UK chose out ... I think it would be very disrespectful to force an EFTA style arrangement on two countries that voted out ... unless your suggesting that another country should force a country into a position they chose not to be in ?

Scolander voted in, EFTA is no a bad wee compromise

Here is a link which defines democracy perhaps you can educate yourself a little better on the results of the UK referendum on Europe.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/democracy?