The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Thrugelmir

islandannie wrote: »

Well I think it,s niave to think discussions are not already being held.

Between whom?

There's a vast amount of i dotting and t crossing to be done.

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Isn't the party conference for devotees of the party concerned. Personally I have no interest in any of them. Without the media hype they would pass relatively unnoticed.

It was what was said at the conference. Widely reported, and there's been no Scottish polls since.

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Let's hope she isn't promising something that cannot be delivered. All bluster and no substance really. As outside of Scotland is anyone taking any serious notice of what she says now.

She didn't promise anything. Just pointed out that she couldn't possibly be undermining Brexit negotiations.. when the UK Govt didn't seem to know what they were yet.

I’m not seeking to undermine anyone, I don’t know what the UK’s negotiating position is, so there’s nothing there that I can see to undermine.

I’m the first minister of Scotland; 62% voted to remain. I wouldn’t be doing my job if I wasn’t out there talking to people and doing my best to protect Scotland’s interests.

I can’t undermine something that doesn’t exist,and at the moment it doesn’t seem to me like there is a UK negotiating strategy, which is one of the sources of great frustration.

Shakethedisease

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Good of you to post links supporting your POV.
In response here's one supporting mine which I think you may enjoy:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3867744/KATIE-HOPKINS-Scotland-said-No-independence-Britain-said-Yes-bit-not-understand-Nicola.html

NOT that I am a supporter of Ms Hopkins but here she does give a very insightful response.

Katie Hopkins is the very best you can do in supporting your own POV. Jeeee-ssus lol. Says it all.

I was more pointing to the EFTA points made to be honest. Any thoughts on that ? I don't think you'll get much joy from Hopkins there.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It was what was said at the conference. Widely reported, and there's been no Scottish polls since.

So what? Until there's complete clarity on a number of issues. Pretty worthless. Been lots of noise but a real lack of substance. The danger is outside events may simply make statements made irrelevant.

zagubov

EFTA's potentially a more flexible and more affordable and less sinister place for Scotland (or the UK, if we can get Norway on-side) to locate to post-Brexit.

Shakethedisease

zagubov wrote: »

EFTA's potentially a more flexible and more affordable and less sinister place for Scotland (or the UK, if we can get Norway on-side) to locate to post-Brexit.

Until it's clear what the Tory govt are actually looking for regarding a Brexit. Who knows... Probably anything Sturgeon or the other remain voting regions/nations put forward for now will hit a brick wall.

But as a political move it's a good one. Ok no EU, but at least let Scotland have EFTA. Brings on board not just the 62% that voted remain, but those previous Yes voters that have gone No due to the fact they don't want full EU membership as well. Is also presenting the possibility early to Scottish voters to think about and might neutralise 'hard border' iScotland/rUK debates in their tracks.

If UK/Scotland not in customs union, no hard border but rules of origin + nontariff barriers

http://www.europeanfutures.ed.ac.uk/article-4232

Anyway, I doubt Theresa May will agree to any of it while Scotland is in the UK. Good though to be presenting alternative options now rather than later and keeping them all open as far as Scotland is concerned. * is so fed up hearing about the 2014 Spain veto thing...*

antrobus

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It was what was said at the conference. Widely reported, and there's been no Scottish polls since.

Again. So what?

YouGov's latest Scotland survey finding just 37% of Scots backing a second independence referendum and 50% opposed. Should they be successful in forcing another vote, the results would be almost identical to last time, with 54% of Scots voting against independence and 46% in favour.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/09/01/davidson-now-more-popular-sturgeon-scotland/

All that means is that you are desperately hoping that Sturgeon's latest kite flying might have changed things.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Until it's clear what the Tory govt are actually looking for regarding a Brexit. Who knows... Probably anything Sturgeon or the other remain voting regions/nations put forward for now will hit a brick wall. ...

Of course. Do you not understand that things like the Constitution, Foreign Policy, Trade and Indusry are Reserved Matters which "remain the responsibility of the UK Parliament alone".

http://www.parliament.scot/visitandlearn/education/18642.aspx

Stuegeon is entitled to express whatever opinion she likes on issues such as EU membership, but neither she nor the Scottish parliament has any role to play in the Brexit negotiations

ruggedtoast

According to the polls there is no ignominy too piteous and no insult too egregious to cause Scots to rebel and cast off the yolk of Tory oppression.

Apparently vile pond scum such as Hopkins can pour derision on Scottish heads and not one more person will vote for Independence?

TrickyTree83

ruggedtoast wrote: »

According to the polls there is no ignominy too piteous and no insult too egregious to cause Scots to rebel and cast off the yolk of Tory oppression.

Apparently vile pond scum such as Hopkins can pour derision on Scottish heads and not one more person will vote for Independence?

Jog on. You're boring.