The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Conrad

Tricky it all boils down to Sturgeon misunderstanding the benefits of the SM (created by Tories, lol, such as Peter Lilly who now say the benefits are next to nil).


She then uses this misplaced phantom fear to drive Scotland to independence, her life long goal.


I reckon Scots are canny and from reading comments under Scotsman articles over the last 2 weeks, most seem to have a fairly sanguine mentality that all will turn out well outside the EU, which obviously it will. The whole world sells to the SM. Trade barriers are of no concern as we are already compliant, and once more the EU needs things from us such as fishing water access - everyone keeps ignoring this.

beecher2

I don't think the Scotsman comments represent the majority view of Scotland Conrad. Possibly the most balanced views are in the Herald as the comments there are just about evenly split between yes and no voters, and you do tend to see all viewpoints portrayed.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Conrad wrote: »

the EU needs things from us such as fishing water access - everyone keeps ignoring this.

You do realise that control over the majority of the UK's fishing waters actually revert to the devolved Scottish government in the event of Brexit?

TrickyTree83

beecher2 wrote: »

Even the Telegraph felt that Scottish pensioners would probably be treated as expats.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/pensions/11087059/Scottish-independence-how-state-pensions-would-be-handed-over-and-other-key-questions-answered.html

Won't happen despite what the Telegraph might think, that was when the UK was in the EU.

State and public sector pension provision in an independent Scotland
5. State Pension payments are made from general taxation and are therefore unfunded, but people
build entitlement to their state pension through National Insurance (NI) contributions or credits
made over their working life. Government spend on State Pensions is significant: in 2010/11 it
was £82bn, 40% of all social benefit payments. State Pension entitlement for those who leave the
UK depends upon whether they move to another EEA state or a country with which the UK has a
reciprocal arrangement regarding State Pension provision.

http://www.plsa.co.uk/PolicyandResearch/DocumentLibrary/~/media/Policy/Documents/0353-Scottish-independence-the-implications-for-pensions.pdf

Like I keep saying, this isn't 2014 anymore.

I fully expect that if Scotland flicks the UK the finger that it'll be flicked back on many issues like this. It's not like Brexit either, it'll become quite a bitter affair.

elantan

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

What?

No. What does Spain have to do with anything?

The state pension is paid for by national insurance contributions, which come from the wages of people working today.

Effectively, each working generation pays for the older generation above them.

All of it in the UK and nothing to do with the EU as an institution, EU nationals that pay NI will be contributing because they live and work in the UK.

The state pension is paid to UK expats by the UK government, so retirees in Spain get paid by the UK government.

So again, what has Spain got to do with it?

Funnily enough we will be expats

TrickyTree83

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

You do realise that control over the majority of the UK's fishing waters actually revert to the devolved Scottish government in the event of Brexit?

Come on Hamish! You can do better. Conrad is arguing for the UK as a whole, and you just agreed with him and basically said that it'd be under Scottish control after Brexit.

Is that a good or bad thing? Do you want to give it back to the EU?

TrickyTree83

elantan wrote: »

Funnily enough we will be expats

You want to retain citizenship of the UK in an independent Scotland?

This is all getting very strange now... are the arguments unravelling?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Conrad is arguing for the UK as a whole,

And I have correctly noted that the majority of the UK's fishing grounds are not within the power of Theresa May's UK government to use as a negotiating chip.

beecher2

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

You want to retain citizenship of the UK in an independent Scotland?

This is all getting very strange now... are the arguments unravelling?

I think you'd cause yourself a lot less stress if you realised that no-one has to convince you of the rights and wrongs of independence. What you think has absolutely zero impact on the result of a future referendum, and each person who is resident of Scotland has one vote, same as everyone else. Just think you need reminded of this

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

You want to retain citizenship of the UK in an independent Scotland?

All Scots would automatically retain UK citizenship upon independence as a matter of law.

Future Scottish citizens may not - depending on the deal that was done and future interpretations of right to UK citizenship by parenthood.