The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

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My wife is Danish, readily recognised by the helmet she wears.

Her job is managing me.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Get real Tricky and Clapton.. this isn't about lefty liberals objecting to a few lists. It's about the fact those British based companies were/are to be 'named and shamed' by the Government. From history we know it's only a very short leap from there to mobs taking it upon themselves to go and break a few windows, or maybe a lot of windows.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/firms-must-list-foreign-workers-gw20ndp5x

what's your view on immigration ?

Conrad

Nobody is targeting migrants themselves, they are targeting UK employers that once upon a time had deep contacts with local schools and colleges and training schemes to provide their future work needs, but then stopped acting responsibly and instead turned to ready trained cheapish migrant flows.


We all surely want a more cohesive happier society and getting back to responsible business norms has a role to play in all this.


Anyone framing themselves as being compassionate needs to think things through carefully - is it compassionate for us not to train existing Brits (black, brown white)? Is it compassionate for us fortunate Brits to celebrate the denudation of vital medical personnel from poor countries?


We need more intelligent national conversations. Overt 'look at me waving a welcome refugees flag' virtue signalling is profoundly unintelligent and shallow, almost always a short-cut to boosting ones compassion credentials and societal status

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Conrad wrote: »

Nobody is targeting migrants themselves, they are targeting UK employers that once upon a time had deep contacts with local schools and colleges and training schemes to provide their future work needs, but then stopped acting responsibly and instead turned to ready trained cheapish migrant flows.


We all surely want a more cohesive happier society and getting back to responsible business norms has a role to play in all this.


Anyone framing themselves as being compassionate needs to think things through carefully - is it compassionate for us not to train existing Brits (black, brown white)? Is it compassionate for us fortunate Brits to celebrate the denudation of vital medical personnel from poor countries?

UK unemployment is now at 4.7%, below the historical average, and wages rose by 2% above inflation last year.

It is crystal clear to all but the most biased of observers that the UK economy is creating jobs faster than they can be filled by the UK native born.

And by making a speech which was substantively similar to Chapter 2 of Mein Kampf Amber Rudd has crossed a line - albeit given her rather questionable qualifications a line I suspect she had no idea she was crossing at the time - but proving yet again the dangers of politicians getting sucked into nationalist fervour and populist claptrap.

We need more intelligent national conversations.

We need an end to the dog whistle politics which give excuses to justify so many people's racism, xenophobia and bigotry.

Overt 'look at me' virtue signalling is profoundly unintelligent and shallow

And yet you've managed to make an entire post full of it.

kabayiri

CLAPTON wrote: »

what's your view on immigration ?

Ahh that's easy.

The SNP talk a good talk on EU migration etc, but their record on actual recent numbers is woeful.

They are in no position to lecture the rest of the UK on the topic.

Rinoa

Many EU countries keep far more detailed records on other EU nationals than we do, often requiring them to carry residency papers/passports at all times.


http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/residence/documents-formalities/registering-residence/index_en.htm

.string.

Rinoa wrote: »

Many EU countries keep far more detailed records on other EU nationals than we do, often requiring them to carry residency papers/passports at all times.


http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/residence/documents-formalities/registering-residence/index_en.htm

Yes, and here in Spain by law one, inclusive of holiday makers, has to carry a passport around at all times, the same in Holland by the way. Hardly anyone does of course but there it is. I have bought a paper copy signed by a local notary, of my passport and I use that (price €4 believe it or not).

I think its all rather silly, both the idea of counting nationalities in a firm and also the hysterical reaction to it. A combination of Reds under the Beds and Tree Hugging. Edit: I understand it was originally a Labour proposal way back when.

CLAPTON

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

UK unemployment is now at 4.7%, below the historical average, and wages rose by 2% above inflation last year.

It is crystal clear to all but the most biased of observers that the UK economy is creating jobs faster than they can be filled by the UK native born.

a clever chap like you might therefore conclude that unemployment might rise again in the future : unless you believe your compatriots claim he abolished boom and bust.

As you claim to understand and reject 'the lump of labour fallacy', you know and acknowledge that a lot of the 'jobs' are simply created by the demand of the immigrants.
Fewer immigrants, less demand and less suppy : no change in unemployment rate

elantan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAIiT7wylxQ oh my Nicola didnt miss Ruth and hit the wall ... the anger in the chamber was palpable, you could cut the atmosphere with a knife around the Tories

Thrugelmir

elantan wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAIiT7wylxQ oh my Nicola didnt miss Ruth and hit the wall ... the anger in the chamber was palpable, you could cut the atmosphere with a knife around the Tories

Yet another Punch and Judy show. Barely worth a mention.