The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

CLAPTON

elantan wrote: »

I'm sure Nazi Germany had seemingly sensible reasons for their actions at the time as well ... it's a slippery slope and one we should not even consider

apparently the SNP are planning to hold a data base on every single scottish child : I wonder whether it will hold their ethnicity... its a slippery slope and one we should not even consider.

I had an injection last week ; I was asked my ethnicity, I explained to the irish immigrant nurse that it was a slippery slope and one we should not even consider.

its interesting that the french don't hold records on the ethnicity of their citizens: the scots do

all very confusing unless one hates the tories ...............

TrickyTree83

That's a massive over reaction, the 'surge' leading to people smashing businesses up.

Perhaps you're unable to see the benefits of it as I do.

The wife agrees with me, there's a first time for everything.

You only appear to see the narrative portrayed by the MSM, I can see some benefits to doing this given my situation where I'm close to many migrants who would be 'targets' for this hate. From our perspective it's the employers taking the michael out of migrants, hopefully this will be a step towards naming and shaming those for bad practices.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

You agree with the LBC 'comparison' to Mein Kampf then?

On the subject of asking companies to declare the percentage of foreign workers they have in their employ, I can think of numerous benefits to migrant workers in doing that. My wife, and her friends have recently (on my advice) signed up to a union, they didn't know what a workers union was and so had no idea how to protect or defend themselves for the bullying they're being subjected to within the workplace because where they've migrated from the world is so different.

If the government can identify the low hanging fruit of employers who employ large proportions of migrants and target them to set the example and improve standards for all then to me that is a win. It'll also be a great place to look for those who are here working illegally. Others may not see this as a problem, but when we've paid many £thousands and jumped through many legal hoops to obtain visa after visa, the right way, illegal migrants working here does grate and I welcome any attempt to crack down on that.

These measures would be beneficial to the legal migrants working here, as well as British citizens.

Get real Tricky and Clapton.. this isn't about lefty liberals objecting to a few lists. It's about the fact those British based companies were/are to be 'named and shamed' by the Government. From history we know it's only a very short leap from there to mobs taking it upon themselves to go and break a few windows, or maybe a lot of windows.

Firms must list foreign workers

• Plan to shame companies that turn down British staff •

Companies will be forced to reveal how many foreign workers they employ under government plans to shame bosses who fail to take on British staff.
The proposals, revealed by the home secretary yesterday, are intended to pressure companies to take on more local workers and to “prevent migrants taking jobs [that] British people can do”.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/firms-must-list-foreign-workers-gw20ndp5x

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Get real Tricky and Clapton.. this isn't about lefty liberals objecting to a few lists. It's about the fact those British based companies were/are to be 'named and shamed' by the Government. From history we know it's only a very short leap from there to mobs taking it upon themselves to go and break a few windows, or maybe a lot of windows.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/firms-must-list-foreign-workers-gw20ndp5x

I don't see it that way at all.

I also don't believe xenophobia is as prevalent as many claim. Living near Leicester and having migrants for friends and a wife I'd have come across stories of racism and xenophobia regularly if it were true. All I've heard recently is someone playing the racism card to play the system at work to get one over on my wife.

Shakethedisease

Conrad wrote: »

Below is a link to comments under a Brexit article today in The Scotsman. As I'd expected the Scots seem pretty balanced and practical if these comments are anything to go by;
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/hard-brexit-could-cost-75-000-financial-jobs-in-the-uk-1-4249558

ORDER THE COMMENTS BY HIGHEST SCORE - the top 5 as at time of typing were all anti remoaner

Those comments are nothing to go by. The Scotsman is about to go bankrupt. Mainly due to those comments which mean hardly anyone bothers reading the site or the newspaper anymore. It's been stuck in a loop since 2013 and still thinks Salmond is in charge.

In short it's not in any way representative. You might do better reading and following comments elsewhere. The Herald is very unionist still, but the comments are far more balanced under articles from those that can be bothered interacting still ( a lot have cancelled subscriptions due to obvious click bait headlines ).

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I don't see it that way at all.

I also don't believe xenophobia is as prevalent as many claim. Living near Leicester and having migrants for friends and a wife I'd have come across stories of racism and xenophobia regularly if it were true. All I've heard recently is someone playing the racism card to play the system at work to get one over on my wife.

So what kind of acceptable level are we talking about before a company is 'named and shamed' for not employing enough British workers in your opinion ? And what do you think will happen when they are named and shamed ?

Wake up.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

So what kind of acceptable level are we talking about before a company is 'named and shamed' for not employing British workers in your opinion ? And what do you think will happen when they are named and shamed ?

Wake up.

I don't think that it's a short leap from what's being proposed to mobs of people running around smashing up businesses. I find that assertion ridiculous. I also don't believe there is rampant xenophobia either. I don't think they should be named and shamed for not employing British workers but I'd back it all the way in an effort to improve working conditions and rights / awareness of rights of migrants which are currently shocking in some places, my wife's workplace for one, Sports Direct for two. I wouldn't be surprised to see my wifes workplace in the papers soon. I know legal action is being taken and some are documenting evidence and going to the press in an effort to affect change.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I don't think that it's a short leap from what's being proposed to mobs of people running around smashing up businesses. I find that assertion ridiculous.

I'm sure you do. But this is Govt sanctioned naming and shaming.The very nature of that will get the public's blood boiling via the media.

I also don't believe there is rampant xenophobia either. I don't think they should be named and shamed for not employing British workers

Oh Good.

but I'd back it all the way in an effort to improve working conditions and rights / awareness of rights of migrants which are currently shocking in some places, my wife's workplace for one, Sports Direct for two. I wouldn't be surprised to see my wifes workplace in the papers soon. I know legal action is being taken and some are documenting evidence and going to the press in an effort to affect change.

That should be the unions who do that and have done so for the last 100 years. But Tories aren't that keen on those. Yesterday's headlines and the Conservative conference made for some pretty uncomfortable viewing and reading and made Brexit all about immigrants and foreigners and 'stopping them' doing things within the UK.

I hope you're still comfortable with your Leave vote also because England/Wales are going all out Govt sanctioned anti-immigrant.

skintmacflint

Leanne1812 wrote: »

No need for Google, I remember when Gordon Brown said that. I didn't like it then and I like it even less now. Foreign doctors, students, workers all targeted. And folk think the SNP are hateful & divisive.

The SNP are hateful and divisive, to anyone, or anything which equates with being British. Not forgetting anything or anyone related to either the Conservative or Labour Party.

Don't forget I've lived a long life in Scotland, and I swear I've never seen anything like the deliberate divisive rhetoric which comes from the SNP party on a daily basis. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. Salmond was throwing his divisive rhetoric about up here before you were born.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I'm sure you do. But this is Govt sanctioned naming and shaming.The very nature of that will get the public's blood boiling via the media. Oh Good.

That should be the unions who do that and have done so for the last 100 years. But Tories aren't that keen on those. Yesterday's headlines and the Conservative conference made for some pretty uncomfortable viewing and reading and made Brexit all about immigrants and foreigners and 'stopping them' doing things within the UK.

I hope you're still comfortable with your Leave vote also because England/Wales are going all out Govt sanctioned anti-immigrant.

So everything I've said doesn't matter because 'that's what union's should do'. Despite the fact migrants don't know what unions are, how to join, which to join, or why they should pay to join.

It's not as black and white and as straight forward as you propose. I've near direct experience of what it's like for a migrant to work for a bullying FTSE100 company. It needs to change for these people.