The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

elantan

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Illusions are easily created and perpetuated on social media by those with too much time on their hands.

Oh I would agree with you there ... watching it with yer own eyes as it unfolds however ... yep that's what I'm doing

CLAPTON

.string. wrote: »

Sorry, I should have explained.

At the moment because both the UK and Ireland are in the EU, a resident in Ireland can go to NI and buy a pair of shoes or a fridge or whatever without having to worry about declaring it to import it legally back into Ireland .. and vice versa for a NI person. The same for a business, but on a larger scale.

That facility was all part of the freedom of exchange enabling North and South to intermingle and got rid of the border which was a big symbolic breakthrough.

Although one could imagine, Ireland not being part of Schengen, people could easily still cross, waving a contactless identity card, but for goods is really needs the border to be re-instated.

That's how I see it but if you have a good idea, let's hear it, I would be very pleased to learn of it.

Trade-wise it would be much the same between an iScotland and an rUK. There a border would be necessary anyway because Scotland would presumably have to be part of Schengen.

why is it a problem and to whom

before we and eire joined the EU there was no real de facto border so personal free trade was routine.
was that a problem?
after brexit the UK will have low import tariffs so personal imports will be ignored by the UK(who ever declares gifts bought on holiday (say USA) on return to the UK?)
Business will need paper audit trails in the usual way.

What Eire does is its problem but it won't be building fenses between NI and Eire; maybe the odd spot check; intelligence lead raid but nothing more.

free trade is a good thing for all concerned

.string.

CLAPTON wrote: »

why is it a problem and to whom

before we and eire joined the EU there was no real de facto border so personal free trade was routine.
was that a problem?
after brexit the UK will have low import tariffs so personal imports will be ignored by the UK(who ever declares gifts bought on holiday (say USA) on return to the UK?)
Business will need paper audit trails in the usual way.

What Eire does is its problem but it won't be building fenses between NI and Eire; maybe the odd spot check; intelligence lead raid but nothing more.

free trade is a good thing for all concerned

We don't know yet what the end game will be. Obviously if it turns out to be completely free trade it will help but anything that disturbs the current laissez faire risks damaging the current peaceful status quo. Dismissing Irish concerns as purely their problem is inappropriate in my opinion and having an odd spot check is just asking for trouble. I can't see the EU agreeing to a back door for cut price goods from the UK.

CLAPTON

.string. wrote: »

We don't know yet what the end game will be. Obviously if it turns out to be completely free trade it will help but anything that disturbs the current laissez faire risks damaging the current peaceful status quo. Dismissing Irish concerns as purely their problem is inappropriate in my opinion and having an odd spot check is just asking for trouble. I can't see the EU agreeing to a back door for cut price goods from the UK.

so you think it is realistic for eire to build a wall and introduce a guarded border.

I would suggest that any Irish government that proposed such a thing would be out of office the next day

Rinoa

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-mps-are-sent-to-annoy-the-english-davidson-tells-tories-1-4248684

SNP MPs at Westminster have been “sent to annoy” English voters in a “cynical” attempt to undermine the Union, Ruth Davidson has claimed.

The Scottish Conservative leader said nationalists in the House of Commons are there to set the English against “whining Scots”. She also hinted that she could seek a role at Westminster and join the UK cabinet in the future.
Ms Davidson, who will introduce the Prime Minister ahead of her speech closing the Conservative Party Conference in Birmingham today, said figures in devolved politics would become household names across the UK, with more MSPs and MPs swapping places.


“People have to realise the SNP are doing it, why they want to get involved on issues like fox hunting and Sunday trading, which don’t apply in Scotland,” Ms Davidson said. “It is to annoy you, get under the skin of people in England. It is on purpose.”

She referenced polling from the second independence referendum in Quebec, which showed that appeals from the rest of Canada not to leave had a decisive impact in a closely-fought campaign.
Ms Davidson said SNP MPs wanted to “get in the UK papers and get on the UK television and get in the homes of people in England as often as they can to annoy you so you say, actually you say, you whining Scots, will you please just leave. It’s absolutely cynical, and I just think you should be aware that’s what they’re trying to do.”

Yeah. That figures.

elantan

So after voting to stay in the union Scotland chose to send Mp''s down south to annoy the English ?

I'm starting to wonder what on earth she has been drinking ...

Shakethedisease

elantan wrote: »

So after voting to stay in the union Scotland chose to send Mp''s down south to annoy the English ?

I'm starting to wonder what on earth she has been drinking ...

Ruth's in for a wake up call. There are far too many extremely recent articles and vids of her giving Johnson what for and re-iterating her views and concerns about how totally disasterous it would be for Scotland to leave the EU and the Single Market.

At the end of the day people don't like proven bare faced liars, and certainly not those that have no principles. I really hope she leads the next No campaign.

Rinoa

elantan wrote: »

Those Tories down in Birmingham seem awfy scared of the SNP, they have been going on and on about them ... bordering on obsession ...

Of course the SNP would never be obsessed by the Tories.

Would they?

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/politics/uk-politics/294662/snp-mp-evokes-nazi-persecution-poem-attack-tory-brexit/

elantan

That's one of my fave poems ...

Today we saw May is planning on starting to scrap the human rights acts ... todays choice was a soft target to get the people on their side... so was well publicised, no doubt as the workers rights become eroded we won't hear as much about it

CLAPTON

elantan wrote: »

So after voting to stay in the union Scotland chose to send Mp''s down south to annoy the English ?

I'm starting to wonder what on earth she has been drinking ...

no, you need to learn something about scotland

whilst the scots voted to stay in the union
they voted for the SNP : a party devoted to leaving and causing as much trouble in the UK parliament as possible

maybe its their sense of humour or maybe the pathetic state of politics in scotland.