The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Fella

ruggedtoast wrote: »

If asked, the majority of people would vote for capital punishment to be returned, to pay no taxes, for weekends to be 6 days long, and to be fellated by a midget each morning.

And yet only 30% of them voted Labour in the last General Election.

skintmacflint

ruggedtoast wrote: »

If asked, the majority of people would vote for capital punishment to be returned, to pay no taxes, for weekends to be 6 days long, and to be fellated by a midget each morning.

That doesn't mean they should be asked those questions or given these things if indeed they are.

That is NOT democracy, it is stupidity.

It IS democracy, but as we're now realising the new so called left leaning supporters and leaders are equally if not more dictatorial and authoritarian than the right wing fascists they purport to despise. Your comment is much the same as the one the EU parliament president Martin Schulz's made just before the Brexit vote

"The British have violated the rules. It is not EU philosophy that the crowd can decide its fate."

A very contemptuous authoritarian remark if ever I've heard one. We had never been asked if we wanted or agreed to ever increasing political union or agreed with the 'European Project' as they like to call it.

With further and deeper political union looming on the horizon ,it was absolutely correct and right to hold the referendum from the public and individual's point of view. And if the EU wasn't so far up its own self righteous , virtue signalling politically correct posterior, it could have worked out something with Cameron which would have prevented the leave outcome.

I too voted remain, but fully accept democratic decisions even when I dont't much agree or like them. Unlike the so called nationalist's on here who never accepted the Indy ref result despite all the favourable conditions they were allowed to hold it under. Nor it seems a large group of my fellow EU remainers.

All while claiming to consider themselves to believe in democracy.

skintmacflint

.string. wrote: »

On the broader picture, the Admin Bill (whatever it's called) is really just that (I presume) or should be, so in the absence of hard fact I have to assume that it will distinguish within it those things that come under the competence (responsibility) of the UK Government and the Devolved Governments. IF that is truly the case the room for controversy is limited, not that I would disparage the SNP's proven skill in finding such.

You give dire "warnings" about a referendum not being agreed. But I see that as an attempt to play the super-whinge card of Wicked Westminster, not a certainty. As I've said before it all depends on how the refusal is phrased.

There are other more Machiavellian tactics that could be employed, but that's for another time. I hope they are not used.

So yes, I see the point of appealing to Scottish Pride by contributing a Westminster vs Scotland stand-off but when the basis of the stand-off is built on sand it won't work.

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This is exactly the reason why the governemnt sat Prof Robert Hazell on the sofa with Tasmina any party will do Sheikh Ahmed that morning. To shut down Sturgeon's previous bluster. on national tv, and SNP's attempt to portray Scotland as being victimised. I am certain the UK government is well aware of the tactics SNP will attempt in the coming months. I notice Alex Salmond is off the radar again, planning and scheming.

As for a further referendum being denied, can assure you there are many Scottish people who would be delighted to hear this news. The 'dire warnings is just more SNP rhetoric. With the exception of her supporters , people are sick to death listening to Independence rhetoric and soundbites , it's all we've heard from SNP for the past 4 years now . People just want the Scottish government to get on with sorting out the devolved areas they're responsible for and neglecting.

If Sturgeon had any sense, she would have sat back and waited. Maybe she's under too much pressure.

.string.

CLAPTON wrote: »

so you think it is realistic for eire to build a wall and introduce a guarded border.

I would suggest that any Irish government that proposed such a thing would be out of office the next day

I think you lost track of what I was saying. You just confirm that there is a problem; a problem to be solved somehow, but a problem nonetheless.

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Ruth's in for a wake up call. There are far too many extremely recent articles and vids of her giving Johnson what for and re-iterating her views and concerns about how totally disasterous it would be for Scotland to leave the EU and the Single Market.

At the end of the day people don't like proven bare faced liars, and certainly not those that have no principles. I really hope she leads the next No campaign.

The context of this is that of the Referendum and the decision by the British people.

That decision to leave means that the EU no longer exists for us as it did; there is no rebate, no opt-outs, no reinforcement of the UK's stance of not being part of a closer (superstate) union, and no recognition that competences taken from Member States can be returned. Such things would not be available to Scotland in any of the (some unlikely) scenarios envisaged by the SNP. To become a member now really does mean being consumed as a country.

Even I, who was fervently in favour of remaining in the EU, would not want to rejoin.

So the job in hand now is to make this Brexit thing work,not to keep crying over spilt milk.

Ruth is working to improve the situation of the UK and with it Scotland, palpably the SNP is not.

CLAPTON

.string. wrote: »

I think you lost track of what I was saying. You just confirm that there is a problem; a problem to be solved somehow, but a problem nonetheless.

indeed, there is a small problem which the irish government / EU will need to fudge but it will NOT involve eithera permanent UK or an Irish fense/wall manned border.

Conrad

Below is a link to comments under a Brexit article today in The Scotsman. As I'd expected the Scots seem pretty balanced and practical if these comments are anything to go by;


http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/hard-brexit-could-cost-75-000-financial-jobs-in-the-uk-1-4249558

ORDER THE COMMENTS BY HIGHEST SCORE - the top 5 as at time of typing were all anti remoaner

elantan

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-amber-rudds-speech-echoes-mein-kampf/


This does give me cause for concern, the new direction the Tory party is taking isn't a good one IMO

CLAPTON

elantan wrote: »

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-amber-rudds-speech-echoes-mein-kampf/


This does give me cause for concern, the new direction the Tory party is taking isn't a good one IMO

what actually caused you concern?

TrickyTree83

elantan wrote: »

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-amber-rudds-speech-echoes-mein-kampf/


This does give me cause for concern, the new direction the Tory party is taking isn't a good one IMO

Liberal lefty over reaction as usual.

How different was it really to "British jobs for British workers"?

I'll let you google who said that.

Does that mean whoever said the above was also following Mein Kampf and therefore the second coming of Hitler?

The media in this country sucks massive balls and it's high time they were also turfed out on their backside.