The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

elantan

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No, due to the fact the Sewel convention exists and I've put the relevant piece of law right in front of your nose. Westminster will no doubt ride roughshod over both.
That would be Scottish Labour and the Scottish Lib Dems. Both so far have supported all efforts to stay in the EU, but won't support a second referendum in order that Scotland remains within it. Most of us already know or concluded some time ago that the only realistic method of escaping Brexit is another referendum.

Russell said 'at the present time' and I posted his full quote. And at the present time the SNP, Scottish Labour, Lib Dems and Greens are all exploring options or are fully supportive of ALL efforts that would keep Scotland within the EU. So yes, Russell was correct.

All eyes as I said will now be on Dugdale and Rennie as it will be crunch time for them. No one is disputing Brexit will happen. But around half of Scotland 'at the present time' want nothing to do with it or any sort of hard Brexit.

Aye Dugdale and Rennie are going to have to decide soon where they stand ... lines will be drawn shortly

... I'm thinking it will happen before the two years are up

And hell slap it intae Scotland if it disnae vote aye next time

elantan

Sturgeon has been quite fun to follow on twitter today

Shakethedisease

Rinoa wrote: »

Ride roughshod? Have you been reading 'Wings over Scotland' again.

Over rule if you prefer.

Anyway, why would Westminster take your wishes into account when you've made it clear you'll be an independent state within a few short years?

Who knows. I wasn't saying they should. Just that it will cause a lot of political friction when they shoe horn a Brexit bill into Scottish law against the wishes of 62% of the country.

Take from that what you like.

Shakethedisease

elantan wrote: »

Sturgeon has been quite fun to follow on twitter today

Not as fun as Davidson's faaaawning attempts at self deprecating comedy which managed to stereotype all Scots as vandals and thieves in the process. * titter *



And John Cleese p***ing off unionist Scottish journo's like Fraser Nelson and Andrew Neil. <--- who won't be tittering, as well any Scot that read it.

John Cleese ‏@JohnCleese 1h1 hour ago Why do we let half-educated tenement Scots run our English press ? Because their craving for social status makes them obedient retainers ?

Pass the popcorn elantan ?

elantan

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Not as fun as Davidson's faaaawning attempts at self deprecating comedy which managed to stereotype all Scots as vandals and thieves in the process. * titter *



And John Cleese p***ing off unionist Scottish journo's like Fraser Nelson and Andrew Neil. <--- who won't be tittering, as well any Scot that read it.


Pass the popcorn elantan ?

Aye I just woke up to those two

*passes popcorn to Shake , Leanne and Zag*

this should be fun ..

skintmacflint

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No one said they would veto Brexit. It's the Sewel convention in the Scotland Act and the Good Friday agreements that are the problem. Because without those being over ruled Brexit law cannot be written into Scottish/NI legislation. Neither parliament is going to do so willingly. No one has any problem whatsoever with the English and Welsh leaving. But they do when it comes to voting Brexit law through in their own devolved parliaments, and are unlikely to do so.

You've gotten all of this round the wrong way. It won't be Scotland or NI vetoing Brexit. It will be Westminster having to bulldoze the leglislation through for both Scotland and NI neither of whom want any part of it. That is where the trouble lies and you're kidding yourself if you think there won't be any.

I seem to remember just after Brexit , Tasmina any party will do Sheik-Ahmed sat next to Professor Robert Hazell UK constitutional expert UK civil service ,on the Victoria Derbyshire show discussing this very point. This was when Sturgeon had jumped out the gates shrieking Scotland could block Brexit, by voting against changing our laws.

Tasmina made the very point you have just tried, inferring the UK could force its will on Scotland, which would huff and puff, and waited with bated breath for the Professor to say precisely that. Her glee at being able to whine and moan at Scotland being hard done by and a victim to the bad bad UK ,was evident to see.

But Prof Hazell said if Scotland wanted to hang onto EU laws, within their area of devolved responsibility it wouldn't be a problem . He turned and smiled as Tasmina's indignation sails instantly deflated in front of the audience. Made my day.

Can just imagine how popular Sturgeon is going to be as one by one all her great plans evaporate before her very eyes. It shows how poor things are politically in Scotland when she is referred to as an astute politician.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Wishful thinking. Another one who thinks the SNP and independence votes conjure themselves out of thin air with the Scottish electorate having nothing to do with it.

Do you really need to use words like eejits and loons all the time on here when you post. You've got a bit of a cheek starting entire threads on people winding you up to be honest.

Aww, did you miss me dear?
How sweet.
Now how about you change the record?
We've been here before.
And to be honest I'm quite pleased that my posts rile you so much; it proves that my points are getting through AND that you don't like them.

For as long as you persist in ignoring pertinent points or simply riding rough-shod over them; for as long as you condescend and belittle other posters; for as long as you continue with distractions, untruths and misrepresentations; for as long as you continue your coercion and unpleasant posting style I will continue.

Because despite your obviously delusional ideas, this thread needs to show others that Scotland maintains some semblance of balance and that not ALL Scots are hell-bent on the destruction of our country.

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skintmacflint wrote: »

I seem to remember just after Brexit , Tasmina any party will do Sheik-Ahmed sat next to Professor Robert Hazell UK constitutional expert UK civil service ,on the Victoria Derbyshire show discussing this very point. This was when Sturgeon had jumped out the gates shrieking Scotland could block Brexit, by voting against changing our laws.

Tasmina made the very point you have just tried, inferring the UK could force its will on Scotland, which would huff and puff, and waited with bated breath for the Professor to say precisely that. Her glee at being able to whine and moan at Scotland being hard done by and a victim to the bad bad UK ,was evident to see.

But Prof Hazell said if Scotland wanted to hang onto EU laws, within their area of devolved responsibility it wouldn't be a problem . He turned and smiled as Tasmina's indignation sails instantly deflated in front of the audience. Made my day.

Can just imagine how popular Sturgeon is going to be as one by one all her great plans evaporate before her very eyes. It shows how poor things are politically in Scotland when she is referred to as an astute politician.

Thanks for reminding us of that.

It appears that "EU Laws" will be incorporated into UK law excepting the headline stuff about the supremacy of EU law and some obvious changes that are needed. What they are will come to light but they presumably involve procedural things related to the EU.

It seems a good pragmatic approach and for devolved matters the devolved governments can do what they want. It will be interesting to see the different approaches taken according to party policy. Some people we know may need another bottle of whisky to get down the bucket of popcorn they like to choke on.

Shakethedisease

skintmacflint wrote: »

I seem to remember just after Brexit , Tasmina any party will do Sheik-Ahmed sat next to Professor Robert Hazell UK constitutional expert UK civil service ,on the Victoria Derbyshire show discussing this very point. This was when Sturgeon had jumped out the gates shrieking Scotland could block Brexit, by voting against changing our laws.

Tasmina made the very point you have just tried, inferring the UK could force its will on Scotland, which would huff and puff, and waited with bated breath for the Professor to say precisely that. Her glee at being able to whine and moan at Scotland being hard done by and a victim to the bad bad UK ,was evident to see.

But Prof Hazell said if Scotland wanted to hang onto EU laws, within their area of devolved responsibility it wouldn't be a problem . He turned and smiled as Tasmina's indignation sails instantly deflated in front of the audience. Made my day.

Can just imagine how popular Sturgeon is going to be as one by one all her great plans evaporate before her very eyes. It shows how poor things are politically in Scotland when she is referred to as an astute politician.

I think headlines should be banned from using the words 'Scotland and veto' in the same sentence. Scotland cannot block Brexit for the UK and there was never any suggestion of it. But Holyrood will try and block it applying in Scotland either via constitutional/law means, or ultimately possibly via another referendum.

Devolved law is going to have to be rewritten at some point with either Brexit or this Great Repeal Bill. This will cause issues in both NI and Scotland and there is absolutely no point in going into denial that there won't be. Nor trying to downplay things like the Sewel convention or the Good Friday agreement as solely SNP grievances.

But I think Theresa May might have to deal with her own back benchers first.

Rinoa

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Over rule if you prefer.

I like to refer it as the UK Government governing the UK.