The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

The_Last_Username

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Ah yes, the arguments against this seem to be out of the starting blocks already.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-37533873

Please note this majority he talks of at present includes all MSP's except the Tories.

Ahem.
Based upon the thoughts of Mike Russell.
Who is the SNP MP for Argyll & Bute.
Whom Nicola Sturgeon appointed as Brexit Minister.
Right.
All is clear now.

It appears that the arguments (as that is what you choose to call them) would appear to be the "arguments" as perceived by SNP politicians desperately seeking some means of escaping Brexit.

You're being disingenuous again with your posts, I note:

Please note this majority he talks of at present includes ALL MSP's except the Tories. Don't put this one at the SNP door Clapton, this is about the Scottish parliament as a whole.

Uh-huh.
I wonder if the other 20-some odd MP's know that Mr Russell is speaking on their behalf?
I suspect not.

Who do you think is going to be disappointed?
A few SNP MP's and their acolytes ................ or the greater United Kingdom?
I know who MY money is on.
For reasons explained in this thread and by Theresa May herself.
Like it or not, Brexit will happen.
To the UK.
ALL of it.

As I say earlier, the time to object to possible consequences was before the referendum.
The simple act of voting was tacit acceptance of any possible outcome.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Please note this majority he talks of at present includes ALL MSP's except the Tories. Don't put this one at the SNP door Clapton, this is about the Scottish parliament as a whole.

you seem to be confusing the contention that scotland should have any special input to brexit other than throught the referendum on brexit (i.e. the same influenece as the good people of Yorkshire

with the general case made by many/most SNP people here that their separate case for independence : this not being based on democratic legitimacy (which I fully support) but some mad lunatic case based on being a 'nation' which in turn is based on the murderous activities of some anglo norman vile killers hundreds of years ago.

elantan

May fairly threw the gauntlet down today


This is gonna be fun to watch

A_Medium_Size_Jock

elantan wrote: »

May fairly threw the gauntlet down today


This is gonna be fun to watch

Oh aye, it sure is.
Watching all the SNP pro-indy supporters running about even more like headless chickens yet STILL squawking as Article 50 is triggered.

I can't wait; they've made themselves look right eejits already in the eyes of lots of Scots (and right enough the wider world too).
They might just self-destruct.

The_Last_Username

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Oh aye, it sure is.
Watching all the SNP pro-indy supporters running about even more like headless chickens yet STILL squawking as Article 50 is triggered.

I can't wait; they've made themselves look right eejits already in the eyes of lots of Scots (and right enough the wider world too).
They might just self-destruct.

Not quite how I would have worded it maybe but yes, an accurate enough precis of what will be seen.

Fun ahead indeed - though perhaps not how some indy supporters imagine .

molerat

The_Last_Username wrote: »

As I say earlier, the time to object to possible consequences was before the referendum.
The simple act of voting was tacit acceptance of any possible outcome.

Precisely. Nothing has changed since Indyref. The vote was taken with the knowledge that Cameron had promised an EU ref so the people of Scotland voted to stay in the UK with all that it entailed. The SNP have no more mandate for another "once in a lifetime" referendum than have the people of Lambeth.

Shakethedisease

The_Last_Username wrote: »

Ahem.
Based upon the thoughts of Mike Russell.
Who is the SNP MP for Argyll & Bute.
Whom Nicola Sturgeon appointed as Brexit Minister.
Right.
All is clear now.

No, due to the fact the Sewel convention exists and I've put the relevant piece of law right in front of your nose. Westminster will no doubt ride roughshod over both.

It appears that the arguments (as that is what you choose to call them) would appear to be the "arguments" as perceived by SNP politicians desperately seeking some means of escaping Brexit.

That would be Scottish Labour and the Scottish Lib Dems. Both so far have supported all efforts to stay in the EU, but won't support a second referendum in order that Scotland remains within it. Most of us already know or concluded some time ago that the only realistic method of escaping Brexit is another referendum.

You're being disingenuous again with your posts, I note:
Uh-huh.
I wonder if the other 20-some odd MP's know that Mr Russell is speaking on their behalf?
I suspect not.

Who do you think is going to be disappointed?
A few SNP MP's and their acolytes ................ or the greater United Kingdom?
I know who MY money is on.
For reasons explained in this thread and by Theresa May herself.
Like it or not, Brexit will happen.
To the UK.
ALL of it.

As I say earlier, the time to object to possible consequences was before the referendum.
The simple act of voting was tacit acceptance of any possible outcome.

Russell said 'at the present time' and I posted his full quote. And at the present time the SNP, Scottish Labour, Lib Dems and Greens are all exploring options or are fully supportive of ALL efforts that would keep Scotland within the EU. So yes, Russell was correct.

All eyes as I said will now be on Dugdale and Rennie as it will be crunch time for them. No one is disputing Brexit will happen. But around half of Scotland 'at the present time' want nothing to do with it or any sort of hard Brexit.

Shakethedisease

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Oh aye, it sure is.
Watching all the SNP pro-indy supporters running about even more like headless chickens yet STILL squawking as Article 50 is triggered.

I can't wait; they've made themselves look right eejits already in the eyes of lots of Scots (and right enough the wider world too).
They might just self-destruct.

Wishful thinking. Another one who thinks the SNP and independence votes conjure themselves out of thin air with the Scottish electorate having nothing to do with it.

Do you really need to use words like eejits and loons all the time on here when you post. You've got a bit of a cheek starting entire threads on people winding you up to be honest.

Rinoa

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No, due to the fact the Sewel convention exists and I've put the relevant piece of law right in front of your nose. Westminster will no doubt ride roughshod over both.

Ride roughshod? Have you been reading 'Wings over Scotland' again.

Anyway, why would Westminster take your wishes into account when you've made it clear you'll be an independent state within a few short years?

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

All eyes as I said will now be on Dugdale and Rennie as it will be crunch time for them. No one is disputing Brexit will happen. But around half of Scotland 'at the present time' want nothing to do with it or any sort of hard Brexit.

well actually 95% of scottish voters do not know what a hard brexit is.
until we know the general likely outcome (say in a years time) only the SNP 'know' what the people think.