The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

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Shakethedisease wrote: »

Interesting from that 48 Yes/52 No % poll today in the Scottish Sunday Times.



I guess at the end of the day if there is a vote, it's a Yes and the EU say 'No way'.. in many respects it will be too late and the deed will be done anyway. EFTA would more than likely be the next port of call.

Imo the EU is only one factor which will dominate a future ref. Future Conservative governments is also going to be way up there regarding political concerns. There are many Scottish Labour and the Lib Dems who are having to grit their teeth at the moment, from the voters upwards. The below comment can't be comfortable for them to agree with. Certainly not in Scotland.

The result of poll is interesting from the viewpoint of whether the EU referendum result in Scotland gave legitimacy to the argument that Brexit gives a reason for calling a new Scottish Referendum

From the above poll, 44% would vote Yes and 51% would vote No with 5% undecided.

That is pretty well what has been the case for some time so it looks like the EU business is not pivotal after all.

Shakethedisease

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Steady on ................. we'll be told soon that the angles were wrong & REALLY there were tens of thousands!
Heh, and this on a dry day - if it were the usual driech & drookit mid-September weekend how many would there be?

(I still note all the EU flags ............ not.)

It's raining.

The bikers are impressive. Eu flags certainly there. Pics of the Scottish independence convention look busy too. But in all honesty I don't really think it matters long term.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Shakethedisease wrote: »

We'll have to agree to disagree there. I prefer, however flawed to base measurements on voting intentions on polling. I actually thought in the closing stages of the last campaign that time might've been better spent knocking doors than on gatherings like rallies.

Nice though they are to see happening.

Now I can see why you might think that polling is better at basing voting intentions but recent experience proves the problems with their accuracy.

I agree that it is good to see rallies such as this; I wish I could attend but sadly work precludes this.

It's been drizzly on & off but not the more-usual downpour - and pick a photo with EU flags out?
Because tbh I've looked through a good few dozen photos & not seen one.

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

The result of poll is interesting from the viewpoint of whether the EU referendum result in Scotland gave legitimacy to the argument that Brexit gives a reason for calling a new Scottish Referendum

From the above poll, 44% would vote Yes and 51% would vote No with 5% undecided.

That is pretty well what has been the case for some time so it looks like the EU business is not pivotal after all.

Not really, it means that 28% of the electorate are going to have to make a choice one way or the other. Along with that 11% I think Angry Jock mentioned elsewhere he's part of ( independent Scotland out of the EU ). Perhaps I need to stop debating with him and start batting some virtual eyelashes instead.

Shakethedisease

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Now I can see why you might think that polling is better at basing voting intentions but recent experience proves the problems with their accuracy.

I agree that it is good to see rallies such as this; I wish I could attend but sadly work precludes this.

It's been drizzly on & off but not the more-usual downpour - and pick a photo with EU flags out?
Because tbh I've looked through a good few dozen photos & not seen one.

Taking one poll in isolation as the media like to do can be very misleading. However a bunch of polls showing more or less the same movements one way or the other ( from whatever their own particular baseline starts from ) is always worth watching.

EU and hybrid EU/Saltire flags are definitely there in some of the pics I've seen. There were two even in that pic I posted yesterday of the Sheridan rally.



Here's one really early in the day arriving.

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

.string. wrote: »

The result of poll is interesting from the viewpoint of whether the EU referendum result in Scotland gave legitimacy to the argument that Brexit gives a reason for calling a new Scottish Referendum

From the above poll, 44% would vote Yes and 51% would vote No with 5% undecided.

That is pretty well what has been the case for some time so it looks like the EU business is not pivotal after all.

Not really, it means that 28% of the electorate are going to have to make a choice one way or the other. Along with that 11% I think Angry Jock mentioned elsewhere he's part of ( independent Scotland out of the EU ). Perhaps I need to stop debating with him and start batting some virtual eyelashes instead.

Yes, Shakey, really. Put your blue-tinted glasses to one side and look carefully at the result.

The result of the poll are clear, absolutely clear; 44% prefer a solution independent of the UK and 51% prefer a solution which includes being part of the UK.

I stand by my remarks.

So much for the premise of the referendum the SNP is talking about.

Time for Sturgeon to march her wee army down the Hill, perchance to think again?

The_Last_Username

And are we just going to ignore the LBC/Times poll out today, stating that two thirds of Scots actually oppose a second indy vote?

http://www.lbc.co.uk/-lbc-poll-show-scots-turn-against-indy-referendum--137198

Shakethedisease

The_Last_Username wrote: »

And are we just going to ignore the LBC/Times poll out today, stating that two thirds of Scots actually oppose a second indy vote?

http://www.lbc.co.uk/-lbc-poll-show-scots-turn-against-indy-referendum--137198

Probably. I'm with Wings on this one, though I wouldn't have put it quite so bluntly as he does. However if one's called, people will vote regardless.

Contrary to what the nation’s reliably-clueless political pundits assert in almost daily opinion columns, the big decision that faces Nicola Sturgeon isn’t the timing of the next indyref. Current polls show that voters oppose having one, but that won’t stop them voting in it whenever it happens, so it’s a fact of little to no importance.

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

Yes, Shakey, really. Put your blue-tinted glasses to one side and look carefully at the result.

The result of the poll are clear, absolutely clear; 44% prefer a solution independent of the UK and 51% prefer a solution which includes being part of the UK.

I stand by my remarks.

So much for the premise of the referendum the SNP is talking about.

Time for Sturgeon to march her wee army down the Hill, perchance to think again?

28% want to be both in the EU and the UK. I'm glad you can just airily wave those voters to the side but they are important. They'll have to choose at the end of the day.

elantan

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It's raining.

The bikers are impressive. Eu flags certainly there. Pics of the Scottish independence convention look busy too. But in all honesty I don't really think it matters long term.

Wonder how the Yooniversary celebrations are going ? Brit nats enjoying themselves enmasse no doubt