The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Sturgeon and every man and his dog know Scotland and her interests will be totally ignored as per. When not even MP's or the people that voted are allowed to know what's going on then there's very little hope that anyone else will have a clue. Never mind the Scottish Govt.

Stop kidding yourself that this leaves Sturgeon in a tricky position whatsoever. Her only tricky position is the timing of the next independence ref.

why aren't the people of scotland allowed to know what currency they would use if Iscotland occurred, or who would be the lender of last resort for scottish banks (assuming there are any) or who would set Scottish bank rates or who would fund scootich government debts : 30 years to think about it and still no answers

brexit only a couple of months and not doing bad.

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

why aren't the people of scotland allowed to know what currency they would use if Iscotland occurred, or who would be the lender of last resort for scottish banks (assuming there are any) or who would set Scottish bank rates or who would fund scootich government debts : 30 years to think about it and still no answers

Oft no running commentaries Clapton. Not needed in the least. Ever, at all, tell you when we're ready. Public and MP's don't need to know.

brexit only a couple of months and not doing bad.

Well apart from the fact there's been absolutely no move whatsoever to leave the EU as yet and nothing to indicate it will ever happen. No one even has the slightest idea what they voted for when they put a cross in the Leave box. Including you.

Yaay ! Thumbs up all round of the massive progress made so far.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Care to address any points I made Jock or are you quite determined to stick by your loon comment?

Would that abuse not put you in the same category as that meme you posted?

If you post your question on the thread in which I posted that statement, I will happily reply.

(I can answer in the same fashion you do, you see.)

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Oft no running commentaries Clapton. Not needed in the least. Ever, at all, tell you when we're ready. Public and MP's don't need to know.

Well apart from the fact there's been absolutely no move whatsoever to leave the EU as yet and nothing to indicate it will ever happen. No one even has the slightest idea what they voted for when they put a cross in the Leave box. Including you.

Yaay ! Thumbs up all round of the massive progress made so far.

So the facile deceit continues.
Scot's don't need to know about what their currency will be BUT we must all know what the UK is planning regarding Brexit?

Well, as it clearly says above: "tell you when we're ready".
Which will help the OP tremendously since firm ideas regarding proposed Scottish independence are so forthcoming, eh?

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Oft no running commentaries Clapton. Not needed in the least. Ever, at all, tell you when we're ready. Public and MP's don't need to know.

Well apart from the fact there's been absolutely no move whatsoever to leave the EU as yet and nothing to indicate it will ever happen. No one even has the slightest idea what they voted for when they put a cross in the Leave box. Including you.

Yaay ! Thumbs up all round of the massive progress made so far.

you posted late so I will assume you were not sober.

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

you posted late so I will assume you were not sober.

I wish. I'm on grandmother duties this weekend with an adorable 18 month old who likes to watch Frozen on loop, and has no concept as yet of 'bedtime'.. despite my best efforts.

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I wish. I'm on grandmother duties this weekend with an adorable 18 month old who likes to watch Frozen on loop, and has no concept as yet of 'bedtime'.. despite my best efforts.

My granddaughter is 20 today, and we'll celebrate with a big family curry. Unfortunately for me health dictates that I stay sober - can't win them all, but no doubt hugs will cheer me up as I sulk in the corner.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I wish. I'm on grandmother duties this weekend with an adorable 18 month old who likes to watch Frozen on loop, and has no concept as yet of 'bedtime'.. despite my best efforts.

There you have my sympathy.
On occasion recently when I have been working night shifts (fortunately not too frequently nowadays) our granddaughter of similar age insists upon the same viewing habits.
I reckon I could quote most of the film, word for word, in my sleep - and I won't even mention the songs!

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Have a very brief look through this, tell me what he's gotten wrong and then reacquaint yourself with a little bit of reality here. May and co aren't even letting Westminster into what's going on with EU talks, nor the UK populous who voted recently. Let's not pretend that the Scottish govt will be any more informed than anyone else.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/14743249.Iain_Macwhirter__Time_to_stand_up_to_May__39_s_Brexit_dictatorship/

Sturgeon and every man and his dog know Scotland and her interests will be totally ignored as per. When not even MP's or the people that voted are allowed to know what's going on then there's very little hope that anyone else will have a clue. Never mind the Scottish Govt.

Stop kidding yourself that this leaves Sturgeon in a tricky position whatsoever. Her only tricky position is the timing of the next independence ref.

I read what you wrote but not that article because my browser could not open it. I doubt whether the author ever did a serious negotiation in their life, unless it all comes down to promoting a certain political line or sexing up the paper.

In any negotiations one keeps cards tightly to one's chest and if there is a reason for some sort of disclosure it's normally because its already a done deal or there is some sort of misdirection intended.

The moans from parties, from MPs from Newspapers don't find ny sympathy with me at all.

... and no, I don't think the Scots are any more informed than anyone else; the problem with your collective is that you only believe what you say yourselves and can't address any valid critique.

I agree with your remarks, later on, though, that the Brexit lot and no clue what they were voting for; in that context it is not surprising that it takes so ling to prepare fore Brexit. However, as for timing, as I wrote before, Article 50 is likely to be activated early in the new year, not least because it will same a whole bunch of additional negotiations which will simply add to the workload (I refer to dividing up the contribution for part of a year and negotiating what part of the contribution comes back to the UK and what happens to common projects and so-forth).

As for Sturgeon, yes she is in a tricky position for the reasons I have given, and others no doubt. We shall see what she dares to do won't we.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Spain, Belgium, Italy and Romania have privately told the UK Government "they will not accept" a breakaway country joining the international club.And a senior Whitehall source revealed Hungary could also kill off the First Minister's dream of strolling seamlessly into the bloc.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/711517/European-Union-members-block-independent-scotland-bid
Yes I know it's The Express but this is being so widely reported, & the only links so far point to either that or the Daily Star.

Meanwhile, I note that the Tories are campaigning on the streets against another referendum whilst only 200 "supporters" attend the George Square rally I mentioned earlier in this thread.
Far from the numbers expected to attend, and given "George Square has been a focal point for grass roots Yes campaigners since the 2014 poll" it does seem that support for another independence referendum is waning.
http://stv.tv/news/politics/1367364-independence-rally-to-mark-referendum-anniversary-held/
Ruth Davidson's comment:

"But the truth is that, far from listening to Scotland, it is the Scottish Nationalist Party that is proving itself to be deaf to Scotland's interests."