The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Leanne1812

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

AND now taking my post on that thread in DT back to context ................. are you suggesting that your views are those of a majority of Scots?
If so, evidence please?
Further, do you believe that repeatedly being deceitful; anti-English; anti-democratic; - any or all of these - is acceptable and normal behaviour to exhibit?

Oh the dramatics!

I never said my views were held by the majority. They may or may not be. Only a referendum will answer that question.

Time to wind your neck in a bit.

I'd like you to point out where I have been, on this thread or others, any of the things you mention above. I have voiced my opinion as I am entitled to. The fact you don't agree or dislike it means nothing.

Possibly bear in mind I'm married to an Englishman.

You never did answer the question I asked so I'll take it you were talking of those of us on this thread who are pro Indy. I can imagine your outrage had any of us used that language to describe you & your views. Once again a unionist putting paid to the lie it's only the 'cybernats' who are nasty. I think you & others have been treated with respect and Shakes at least has engaged and put forward good debate. It would be courteous if you could do the same.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

You would be prepared to carve Scotland up into many small parts, some in the UK, some out, in order to have parts of Scotland leave the UK, wouldn't that be a hollow victory? Surely in that situation destitution and failure is for certain.

No, that's Dumfries and Galloway if any future referendum doesn't go as they would like it. The article was in the Daily Record and was not my suggestion.

If it's even remotely like the picture painted in the 2014 referendum then it won't be supporting the right of areas all over Scotland to leave the UK, but for small parts of Scotland to leave Scotland.

You'll end up with the United Republic(?) of Dundee, Glasgow, North Lanarkshire and West Dumbartonshire with the SNP (or what's left of it) in charge I guess. Smart stuff.

You keep misunderstanding what I'm saying. If Dumfries and Galloway gain approval to discount any Yes vote and remain in the UK regardless of the outcome and despite taking part in the voting process...then it stands to reason that other areas of Scotland must be granted the same rights should that same referendum result in a No vote.

You're being a little obtuse on this subject. What's good for any Dumfries and Galloway majority, must by it's very nature be just as good for any majority in the Dundee or Glasgow areas. Or are Dumfries and Galloway to be treated like special snowflakes alone in this ( fantasy ) scenario ?

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No, that's Dumfries and Galloway if any future referendum doesn't go as they would like it. The article was in the Daily Record and was not my suggestion.

You keep misunderstanding what I'm saying. If Dumfries and Galloway gain approval to discount any Yes vote and remain in the UK regardless of the outcome and despite taking part in the voting process...then it stands to reason that other areas of Scotland must be granted the same rights should that same referendum result in a No vote.

You're being a little obtuse on this subject. What's good for any Dumfries and Galloway majority, must by it's very nature be just as good for a majority in the Dundee or Glasgow areas. Or are Dumfries and Galloway to be treated like special snowflakes alone in this ( fantasy ) scenario ?

We've just said exactly the same thing...

If Dumfries and Galloway can have their own referendum on remaining part of the UK after a Yes to Scottish independence, other regions must also be allowed. Similarly if it's a No I would imagine.

So really we're talking about regional referenda to determine which regions want to stay in the UK and which want to leave after Scotland as a whole decides to leave the UK (cunning plan, someone is a Baldrick). If this was how a potential indy2 ref would look like it seems unlikely anyone would vote Yes except the utter loons. It would be like watching what's happening to Labour, happen to Scotland, sad.

And if the indy ref picture in 2014 is even remotely similar to indy2 it'll be parts of Scotland leaving Scotland, rather than Scotland leaving the UK. There would be vast swathes of Scotland still part of the UK, with a couple of regions trying desperately not to haemorrhage business, jobs, tax revenue and people.

But it probably wouldn't come to that anyway.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Oh the dramatics!

I never said my views were held by the majority. They may or may not be. Only a referendum will answer that question.

Time to wind your neck in a bit.

I'd like you to point out where I have been, on this thread or others, any of the things you mention above. I have voiced my opinion as I am entitled to. The fact you don't agree or dislike it means nothing.

Possibly bear in mind I'm married to an Englishman.

You never did answer the question I asked so I'll take it you were talking of those of us on this thread who are pro Indy. I can imagine your outrage had any of us used that language to describe you & your views. Once again a unionist putting paid to the lie it's only the 'cybernats' who are nasty. I think you & others have been treated with respect and Shakes at least has engaged and put forward good debate. It would be courteous if you could do the same.

There is no better advertisement to the English, the rest of the UK and indeed the world of the depths to which pro-SNP and pro-iScotland proponents will stoop to achieve their rabid anti-English aims.
Look at the comments in the DT thread you refer to for examples of how Scots are viewed, thanks at least in part to posts such as yours and Shakey's; are you proud of that?

P.S. - Adding intimidation to the list I supplied in an earlier post does nothing to further your cause.
I will NOT be bullied.

As a Scot, fellow Scots exhibiting such behaviour should be ashamed.
I say "should be" because it is patently obvious that the morals of such people sadly preclude that.

elantan

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Not heard any calls from councils, parliaments or any other form of government, national, regional or local calling for independence of those areas.

If you want all areas of the UK to be able to vote on their allegiances then that must be the case for Scotland under the guise of indy2, fair is fair as you say. Those who vote to leave the UK do so and those who vote to stay in the UK do so.

Or is that not what you want?

Oh I imagine in the fantasy world a few here have created (thinking D&G have the right to stay in the UK if Scotland goes ) when D&G go they will be quickly followed by the places I mentioned, there are already Cornish and Yorkshire independence groups kicking about ... Not heard of any London ones ... but I don't doubt they wouod go as well

elantan

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Oh the dramatics!

I never said my views were held by the majority. They may or may not be. Only a referendum will answer that question.

Time to wind your neck in a bit.

I'd like you to point out where I have been, on this thread or others, any of the things you mention above. I have voiced my opinion as I am entitled to. The fact you don't agree or dislike it means nothing.

Possibly bear in mind I'm married to an Englishman.

You never did answer the question I asked so I'll take it you were talking of those of us on this thread who are pro Indy. I can imagine your outrage had any of us used that language to describe you & your views. Once again a unionist putting paid to the lie it's only the 'cybernats' who are nasty. I think you & others have been treated with respect and Shakes at least has engaged and put forward good debate. It would be courteous if you could do the same.

Oh good were back to ye olde indy supporters hate the English ... havnt heard that one before eh ... I Don wonder if in some cases some people think if they repeat it often enough it will come true

Leanne1812

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

There is no better advertisement to the English, the rest of the UK and indeed the world of the depths to which pro-SNP and pro-iScotland proponents will stoop to achieve their rabid anti-English aims.
Look at the comments in the DT thread you refer to for examples of how Scots are viewed, thanks at least in part to posts such as yours and Shakey's; are you proud of that?

P.S. - Adding intimidation to the list I supplied in an earlier post does nothing to further your cause.
I will NOT be bullied.

As a Scot, fellow Scots exhibiting such behaviour should be ashamed.
I say "should be" because it is patently obvious that the morals of such people sadly preclude that.

In your fantasy land it is anti-English. What people, yourself included don't seem to realise is that the SNP are a pretty normal run of the mill political party. The media portrays them as mad separatist extremists. Well, they do want an independent Scotland, that's no secret. Besides that policy what do they do that is so different from other mainstream parties? You think scots would continue to vote them in to run the country if they were so shambolic?

So, what your saying is even though we disagree we should just shut up for fear of how others perceive us? Whoa! Dictatorial or what! You believe in the union. I don't. Simple as that. Does that make me a loon? Are my morals somewhat lacking because of that?

I don't believe in bullying. I just refuse to agree with you. I'm a grown up, I read this thread & sometimes contribute. I see posts that frequently disagree with my viewpoint. I don't think they are bullying me. It's not personal. Just a debate page which I enjoy.

Out of interest what word would you use to describe people who refer to others who disagree as loons? Or is that ok, it's not bullying or belittling?

CLAPTON

elantan wrote: »

Oh I imagine in the fantasy world a few here have created (thinking D&G have the right to stay in the UK if Scotland goes ) when D&G go they will be quickly followed by the places I mentioned, there are already Cornish and Yorkshire independence groups kicking about ... Not heard of any London ones ... but I don't doubt they wouod go as well

when you say 'right' do you mean you would refuse them the democratic right to decide their own future if they so wished

A_Medium_Size_Jock

elantan wrote: »

Oh good were back to ye olde indy supporters hate the English ... havnt heard that one before eh ... I Don wonder if in some cases some people think if they repeat it often enough it will come true

I think the real hope is that fervent iScotland supporters "winding-up" of enough English will result in Scotland being somehow "evicted" from the UK, so bypassing the embarrassment of another independence referendum.

elantan

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

I think the real hope is that fervent iScotland supporters "winding-up" of enough English will result in Scotland being somehow "evicted" from the UK, so bypassing the embarrassment of another independence referendum.

Are you suggesting the people on this thread are "winding-up" the English people on this thread ? Are you suggesting the independence minded people of Scotland are " winding -up" the English ?