The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

CLAPTON

elantan wrote: »

Scotland is a country, if we cant agree on that simple basic fact then really is there any point in trying to agree on anything?

Scotland is not a sovereign country
In international law Scotland is not a country but simply part of the UK.

No rational human being would make decisions about their current living situation based on undemocratic events that happened more than 300 years ago.

The main defining feature of the Scotttish nationalism is hatred of the English : nothing more nothing less: no better or worse that the concept of the 'Aryan' nation.

ruggedtoast

CLAPTON wrote: »

Scotland is not a sovereign country
In international law Scotland is not a country but simply part of the UK.

No rational human being would make decisions about their current living situation based on undemocratic events that happened more than 300 years ago.

The main defining feature of the Scottish nationalism is hatred of the English : nothing more nothing less: no better or worse that the concept of the 'Aryan' nation.

Based on your circular logic nowhere is a country because it wasn't one before it became one.

Scotland was an independent country for a lot longer than it wasn't, although presumably you think that the Picts and Gaels who founded it in the 9th Century had no right to do so because they were robbing it from the Romans or something.

.string.

elantan wrote:

TrickyTree wrote:

...actually Great Britain since the act of Union.

... Scotland is a country, if we cant agree on that simple basic fact then really is there any point in trying to agree on anything?

There is, indeed little point in discussing things with those who ignore facts in favour of fantasies.

Sure, Scotland can become a country and can survive at the level that would result, but that is not presently the case.

ruggedtoast

elantan wrote: »

No the onus is on the unionists to prove staying is the best bet... what's the point in staying ? You've had our economy now for over 300 years and we're 15Bn in the red so you keep telling us, you keep telling us how much we need you and yet staying as part of a union is not serving us well... I see people going to food banks, I've worked in soup kitchens where people are starving due to tory austerity. i see people struggling to survive. i see people struggling to survive in England as well, i would say in many cases its harder for them, and i ask myself what is WM doing for them? Wm is throwing people to the dogs and i want nothing else to do with it, Ive had enough.

I see the nhs in Scotland doing much better than the nhs down south I see our kids getting a better education than down south ... these are the few things we can control and we do a much better job at it than when WM is in charge,


So really the onus is to prove why should we stay ? What's so wonderful about the union that we should stay ??? What is worth sacrificing being independent for? Making our own way in the world

Give the UK one more chance. Unite behind Corbynism, kick out the Tories and build a truly socially democratic Republican Britain based on equality and merit, not grace and favour forelock tugging of the serfs to the landed aristos and their awful politicians.

.string.

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Based on your circular logic nowhere is a country because it wasn't one before it became one.

Scotland was an independent country for a lot longer than it wasn't, although presumably you think that the Picts and Gaels who founded it in the 9th Century had no right to do so because they were robbing it from the Romans or something.

Are you by any chance married? Following your logic, would you nevertheless describe yourself as single?

TrickyTree83

elantan wrote: »

sheesh everything takes time,do you not have any patience? i will say though knowing the Scots they will make it happen quicker and better, they are kinda determined in that sense ...

So Scottish people are by definition better than their UK counterparts in your eyes?

Better people because they do things quicker, better and in a more determined manner. Right?

TrickyTree83

.string. wrote: »

Are you by any chance married? Following your logic, would you nevertheless describe yourself as single?

What logic?

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Based on your circular logic nowhere is a country because it wasn't one before it became one.

Scotland was an independent country for a lot longer than it wasn't, although presumably you think that the Picts and Gaels who founded it in the 9th Century had no right to do so because they were robbing it from the Romans or something.

I was stating the actual facts that Scotland is not a sovereign country and no country in the world recognises it as such.

I made no statement of how one becomes a sovereign country but observing that claiming sovereign statehood based on events 300 years ago is simply national socialism gone mad and reminiscent of an 'aryan' nation, although in this case based on racial hatred of the English.

beecher2

CLAPTON wrote: »

.... national socialism gone mad and reminiscent of an 'aryan' nation, although in this case based on racial hatred of the English.

Your trolling is becoming a little desperate these days, don't you think?

ruggedtoast

CLAPTON wrote: »

I was stating the actual facts that Scotland is not a sovereign country and no country in the world recognises it as such.

I made no statement of how one becomes a sovereign country but observing that claiming sovereign statehood based on events 300 years ago is simply national socialism gone mad and reminiscent of an 'aryan' nation, although in this case based on racial hatred of the English.

Scotland didn't voluntarily become part of UK any more than Poland voluntarily became part of the Soviet Union.

They were subsumed.

This is all beside the point anyway. A large number of Scots feel exactly the same about the heartless neoliberal Tory dominated venality of the UK as a lot of English and Welsh people do.

They don't like it, recognise it, or want to live under it anymore.

Scotland can at least make a case to leave due to their history and geography. In England the left is having to struggle with gerrymandered constituencies, a first past the post system that enormously favours the Right, and a press that is almost completely controlled by xenophobic Tories and their backers.

And they still aren't quelling the surge of rebellion.

Rather than moaning endlessly that no one wants to play with you anymore its up to you Tory people to justify why we should continue to recognise your governance. A governance of which we are fundamentally sick.