The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

elantan

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Well of course I'm going to say that because it's incomprehensible that you would suggest such a thing. I'm glad I didn't disappoint.

If you don't think that, why did you say it?

I don't want to turn the thread into farce with comments about who is better than who, I actually wanted to know why you wanted an independent Scotland. It seems not because you can increase your living standards or improve your economy but because you just want Scotland to be independent whatever the consequence.

Again you didn't really read what I wrote ... It won't be easy at first but it will be better in the end, after 10 years ( maybe less) Scotland will be in a good position ... and will be better off due to independence ... its not that hard to work out ...

elantan

And yes being in control of the country will be good for the people of Scotland ... win win really... getting the government it votes for every single time is a good start to building the country we want

elantan

So with May coming out with her statement today it is going to be interesting to see how Nicola responds

Herzlos

AnotherJoe wrote: »

If the people of Scotland wish to vote for independence, good on them. I just dont understand how the majority (and it seems you are not one one) want at the same time to leave one union on the grounds its restrictive,but then join another ! The whole argument from the SNP has been "oh now UK is coming out of EU, that is grounds for us to vote again because we want to be in EU."

Some of us don't want anything to do with Tory decision making, but like the EU.
Some of us don't want anything to do with Tory decision making, and also dislike the EU.
Some of us would rather be in the EU than the UK.

It's not as if there's a single "sod the English" party.

Personally, I feel the Tories are the single worst thing to have ever happened to the country, and am quite keen to break away from them, since English is stuck with them and predominantly right-wing, whilst we're stuck with them* and predominantly left-wing.

*We at least have the option to break away, you guys in the North are completely screwed either way.

Shakethedisease

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Give the UK one more chance. Unite behind Corbynism, kick out the Tories and build a truly socially democratic Republican Britain based on equality and merit, not grace and favour forelock tugging of the serfs to the landed aristos and their awful politicians.

If Corbyn were a Scottish party leader, likely Labour would be biting at the heels of the SNP at the moment. However when he comes up here he tends to read off scripts spouting the same nonsense and smears towards the SNP that appear in Labour leaning Scottish newspapers each day. Most of which has already been debunked or shown to have very significant ommissions or mistakes by social media.

This makes him look very inept to the same, for want of a better word 'cybernats', as it would if Nicola Sturgeon was reading scripts from the Express and the Telegraph in an attempt to win over Corbyn supporters. Sad, because folks like me would've loved the idea of Labour and the SNP working together as much as was possible in similar policy areas for as long as Scotland remains part of Westminster.

Tromking

Herzlos wrote: »

Personally, I feel the Tories are the single worst thing to have ever happened to the country, and am quite keen to break away from them, since English is stuck with them and predominantly right-wing, whilst we're stuck with them* and predominantly left-wing.

Easy for Scotland to be predominantly left wing when someone else is picking up the tab. Scots are no more intrinsically 'progressive' than the English.

TrickyTree83

elantan wrote: »

Again you didn't really read what I wrote ... It won't be easy at first but it will be better in the end, after 10 years ( maybe less) Scotland will be in a good position ... and will be better off due to independence ... its not that hard to work out ...

Why will it be better off?

elantan

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Why will it be better off?

Because we will have all the levers required to steer our own boat ... why wouldn't we be better off ?

TrickyTree83

Tromking wrote: »

Easy for Scotland to be predominantly left wing when someone else is picking up the tab. Scots are no more intrinsically 'progressive' than the English.

Exactly.

When the left run out of money it's a lesson every generation appears to have to learn.

Yet Scotland appears to be pious and full of virtue because apparently they're all left leaning, social democrats, etc.. <insert whatever pious virtue you want here> and those of us in England who vote differently are wrong/scum.

The above obviously conveniently ignores the voting numbers and patterns in that the SNP govern on less than the 46% they quote.

Virtue signalling is easy, actually carrying it out is a completely different matter.

TrickyTree83

elantan wrote: »

Because we will have all the levers required to steer our own boat ... why wouldn't we be better off ?

By that definition it doesn't matter what Vote Leave would have promised/said, it would definitely have been better to leave the EU, and presumably you'd also not want Scotland to join the EU?