The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Fran_Klee

The_Rainmaker said:

Arklight said:

Scotland is on course to leave the UK. 

Aye right!

Well it does say earlier in the thread that the poster is English & has never even been to Scotland. 

Arklight

You don't have to be a Scot to tell that all signs are pointing to, "Aye" for Indy.

John_Doe

Arklight said:

You don't have to be a Scot to tell that all signs are pointing to, "Aye" for Indy.

But you do have to live in Scotland to know the mood inside Scotland. Stop parroting what this thread tells you too, it is not representative of Scots.

Shakethedisease

John_Doe said:

Arklight said:

You don't have to be a Scot to tell that all signs are pointing to, "Aye" for Indy.

But you do have to live in Scotland to know the mood inside Scotland. Stop parroting what this thread tells you too, it is not representative of Scots.

50% want out...and rising. So wanting independence IS representitive of Scotland since half the voters now share that view. Just because 99% of newspapers and media are unionist painting complacent pretty pictures of how bad the SNP is, and how independence support is a fringe view easily dismissed, doesn't mean that's what's actually happening on the ground. Even they're getting more panicky about it.

Barely 8 years ago the SNP had 6 MP's and independence support was at 28%. Things are only going one way. When the only thing you've got left isn't presenting any postive aspects of the UK but instead stopping people from voting ( think about that). You're in big trouble.

Una_Voidable

Shakethedisease said:

John_Doe said:

Arklight said:

You don't have to be a Scot to tell that all signs are pointing to, "Aye" for Indy.

But you do have to live in Scotland to know the mood inside Scotland. Stop parroting what this thread tells you too, it is not representative of Scots.

50% want out...and rising. So wanting independence IS representitive of Scotland since half the voters now share that view. Just because 99% of newspapers and media are unionist painting complacent pretty pictures of how bad the SNP is, and how independence support is a fringe view easily dismissed, doesn't mean that's what's actually happening on the ground. Even they're getting more panicky about it.

Barely 8 years ago the SNP had 6 MP's and independence support was at 28%. Things are only going one way. When the only thing you've got left isn't presenting any postive aspects of the UK but instead stopping people from voting ( think about that). You're in big trouble.

Reliance on external agitators to prop up a delusional interpretation of events isn't the way to go; there are enough native Scots in here who tell you that there are still many Scots who do not want independence and even the polls that you now quite like have told you that Scots do not want another vote.
By quite a majority.
Why aren't you asking yourself why they don't?
And why are you ignoring the will of Scottish people?

Barely five years ago the SNP had 56 seats and today they hold 48, that is not indicative of rising support. 
Barely six years ago was the most recent time Scotland was officially asked if it wanted independence and the only figure which counts to this day is the 44.7% who voted for, not your pie-in-the-sky 50%.
When the only thing you've got left isn't presenting any positive aspect of Scots self-government but instead trying to suggest that the alternative is worse when all evidence points to the opposite ( you think about that  ) you really ought to realise that your cause is in big trouble.

Here you stand with one of the most farcical times in modern British politics only just behind us and the SNP ( just like the Labour party ) are an ineffective force in not only British but in Scottish politics, unable to demonstrate much in the way of positivity for the possibility of a time when the SNP could govern an independent country.
There's really not very much at all that the SNP can point to and say "We do that better then them" - and if the extra funding Scotland receives is taken into account it gets difficult to think of anything.

You're obviously sore at Nic not pushing more for another go, but maybe it's time that you accept what she seems to have accepted: now is not the time.
Though quite why I'm telling you this I don't know.
Go ahead: have your vote.
Lose again (and you will).
Then the matter will truly be over for at least twenty years.

Shakethedisease

By 'external agitators' you mean voters ? And regardless of all the above the voters of Scotland voted to both stay in the UK and then to stay in the EU. They cannot have both. And I'm afraid it's not for the majority of English voters ( Brexit then Tory Govt ) to decide upon which union Scotland's voters would prefer. 

That's for Holyrood. Just vote No if that's what you'd like, but denying even giving voters the choice isn't going to work for much longer. It'll happen either way regardless of Westminster. 

The most obvious positive about independence is not having to go along with what ever English voters want even if we don't vote for it. England sadly imo is heading in a very dark and sinister direction. Many Scots want no part of it. 

baldelectrician

Una_Voidable said:

And why are you ignoring the will of Scottish people?
The will of the Scottish People is expressed through the Scottish Parliament - by those who can be bothered to vote, the Scottish Parliament is in favour of a referendum.


Barely five years ago the SNP had 56 seats and today they hold 48, that is not indicative of rising support. 
The Conservatives got a lower % of the vote in the UK compared to the SNP % in Scotland - this is an indication that the UK Westminster Government is less legitimate across the UK than the SNP mandate is in Scotland (or is it make the rules up as you go along time)
The conservatives went in to the UK general election telling Scottish voters to send the SNP a message that Scots did not want a referendum, the Scots (who voted) rejected the Conservatives message and voted in the SNP, yet another mandate




Barely six years ago was the most recent time Scotland was officially asked if it wanted independence and the only figure which counts to this day is the 44.7% who voted for, not your pie-in-the-sky 50%.
Go ahead: have your vote- AT LEAST WE AGREE ON THIS

The_Rainmaker

baldelectrician said:

Una_Voidable said:

And why are you ignoring the will of Scottish people?
The will of the Scottish People is expressed through the Scottish Parliament - by those who can be bothered to vote, the Scottish Parliament is in favour of a referendum.

I guess arithmetic wasn't your strong point.

Enterprise_1701C

It is rather strange too, how they went around before the election saying it had nothing to do with independence but was about removing Boris from office, yet all of a sudden it was used to try to get an independence vote.

It is also funny how SNP's supposed majority was again used to try to gain independence, but the massive Conservative majority over the whole of the UK does not count.

Herzlos

Independence was mentioned in like every paragraph of their manifesto. You'd have to be willfully blind to think they were after anything else.