The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Moe_The_Bartender

Herzlos said:

We're very pro migration, anyone is welcome to join our socialist dystopia

(It's one of the more stark differences between Scotland and England)

Who said this and when:

"advocates ‘a points-based approach’ as part of ‘a controlled immigration system to meet our own economic, social and demographic priorities and needs’. Anyone who wishes to ‘work, study or live’ here ‘will have to meet a set of reasonable and fair requirements to gain entry or approval to remain’.  ‘If there are higher than required numbers of non-European Economic Area/Swiss migrants… then this can be addressed through the points-based system’."

Shakethedisease

paparossco said:

Is this a clear sign that Cherry is after the FM job? Any other reason why a sitting MP would want to be an MSP?
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-51601035

Because the SNP are sitting about in Westminster twiddling thumbs, ignored and unable to do anything constructive while Boris has an 80 seat majority there ? Her seat is also due to be abolished if boundary changes go ahead. I don't know what her SNP branch will decide re selecting either her or Angus Robertson ( and it's all up to them). But I think if it was up to ordinary members of the SNP she'd win hands down. Angus unfortunately while was a brill MP, is part of the slowly, slowly branch of the SNP regarding independence. Not a popular stance at them moment. Cherry's far more gung-ho and 'up-your's Westminster.

Shakethedisease

Hasbeen said:

Arklight said:

The Scots yearn and hunger for independence. 

Perhaps? But I find that there still not a majority for that and that most of the people only vote snp because there are no other party's viable. Scots do not like Tories and the Labour party have fallen into dire time's both in Scotland and the rest of the UK.

It's independence support which drives the SNP, not the other way round.. and SNP support is lagging behind independence support now. There'll probably be another party( ies ) around quite soon. I think there's already one registering with the Electoral Commission.

The most advanced project is the Independent Scotland Party (ISP) fronted by the redoubtable Colette Walker, sadly a casualty of the SNP’s toxic gender wars. The ISP has already applied for registration with the Electoral Commission,

https://www.thenational.scot/news/18239612.auob-provide-real-food-thought-way-ahead-yes/

paparossco

ŴwShakethedisease said:

Hasbeen said:

Arklight said:

The Scots yearn and hunger for independence. 

Perhaps? But I find that there still not a majority for that and that most of the people only vote snp because there are no other party's viable. Scots do not like Tories and the Labour party have fallen into dire time's both in Scotland and the rest of the UK.

It's independence support which drives the SNP, not the other way round.. and SNP support is lagging behind independence support now. There'll probably be another party( ies ) around quite soon. I think there's already one registering with the Electoral Commission.

The most advanced project is the Independent Scotland Party (ISP) fronted by the redoubtable Colette Walker, sadly a casualty of the SNP’s toxic gender wars. The ISP has already applied for registration with the Electoral Commission,

https://www.thenational.scot/news/18239612.auob-provide-real-food-thought-way-ahead-yes/

So would this not split the Indy vote or is the plan ensuring the 2nd transferable vote goes to another Indy supporting party?

Shakethedisease

paparossco said:

ŴwShakethedisease said:

Hasbeen said:

Arklight said:

The Scots yearn and hunger for independence. 

Perhaps? But I find that there still not a majority for that and that most of the people only vote snp because there are no other party's viable. Scots do not like Tories and the Labour party have fallen into dire time's both in Scotland and the rest of the UK.

It's independence support which drives the SNP, not the other way round.. and SNP support is lagging behind independence support now. There'll probably be another party( ies ) around quite soon. I think there's already one registering with the Electoral Commission.

The most advanced project is the Independent Scotland Party (ISP) fronted by the redoubtable Colette Walker, sadly a casualty of the SNP’s toxic gender wars. The ISP has already applied for registration with the Electoral Commission,

https://www.thenational.scot/news/18239612.auob-provide-real-food-thought-way-ahead-yes/

So would this not split the Indy vote or is the plan ensuring the 2nd transferable vote goes to another Indy supporting party?

List votes (2nd transferable) in targeted areas where the SNP do too well in the constituency votes to gain any list seats. 
There's 3 union supporting parties. I guess it was only a matter of time before 1 or 2 other indy parties started. But no, splitting the vote is the very last thing they'll do on the constituency seats.  The aim is a pro indy majority after all.

Moe_The_Bartender

Shakethedisease said:

paparossco said:

Is this a clear sign that Cherry is after the FM job? Any other reason why a sitting MP would want to be an MSP?
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-51601035

Because the SNP are sitting about in Westminster twiddling thumbs, ignored and unable to do anything constructive while Boris has an 80 seat majority there ? 

Is that all they are doing? Aren’t MPs elected to work for their constituents? That doesn’t mean they need to be in the HoP.

Moe_The_Bartender

Moe_The_Bartender said:

Herzlos said:

We're very pro migration, anyone is welcome to join our socialist dystopia

(It's one of the more stark differences between Scotland and England)

Who said this and when:

"advocates ‘a points-based approach’ as part of ‘a controlled immigration system to meet our own economic, social and demographic priorities and needs’. Anyone who wishes to ‘work, study or live’ here ‘will have to meet a set of reasonable and fair requirements to gain entry or approval to remain’.  ‘If there are higher than required numbers of non-European Economic Area/Swiss migrants… then this can be addressed through the points-based system’."

Anyone want to take a guess? Clue. It’s a quote from 2014.

paparossco

It was raised in the Andrew Marr interview on Sunday.

Moe_The_Bartender

I didn't see that. You will know presumably that it was from the Nats independence White Paper of 2014. 

Here's another gem from Krankie when the EU confirmed that an independent Scotland would not be admitted.

“We have set down a robust and common sense position. There are 160,000 EU nationals from other states living in Scotland, including some in the Commonwealth Games city of Glasgow. If Scotland was outside Europe, they would lose the right to stay here.’"

Sounds like that’s a deportation threat but can you imagine the outcry if the Tories said it?

Shakethedisease

Moe_The_Bartender said:

I didn't see that. You will know presumably that it was from the Nats independence White Paper of 2014. 

Here's another gem from Krankie when the EU confirmed that an independent Scotland would not be admitted.

“We have set down a robust and common sense position. There are 160,000 EU nationals from other states living in Scotland, including some in the Commonwealth Games city of Glasgow. If Scotland was outside Europe, they would lose the right to stay here.’"

Sounds like that’s a deportation threat but can you imagine the outcry if the Tories said it?

Er no. She was talking about the facts of Scotland being out of the EU, not threatening deportations ! And any points system in Scotland would be to ensure MORE immigration not less.

Anyway Holyrood has just voted to extend voting rights so that's good step forward in extending the franchise to those who would otherwise not be able to have a say over this sort of thing. So it's again unlikely that Nicola Sturgeon is intent on deporting anyone anytime soon.

The right to vote in Scottish Parliament and local government elections has been extended today, with the passing of the Scottish Elections (Franchise and Representation) Bill.

The Bill extends voting rights to all foreign nationals with leave to remain, including all those granted refugee status.

It also extends candidacy rights to foreign nationals with indefinite leave to remain, and to those with pre-settled status.

This also marks the first time in the history of the Scottish Parliament that a Bill has passed after requiring a super-majority, the support of two thirds of the 129 members elected.

This extension is especially meaningful in the atmosphere of uncertainty surrounding the UK Government’s plans for the immigration system – but instead of instilling insecurity and fear, this Government is using the powers that it has to send the message that Scotland is open, welcoming, and home to all those who so choose.

“This legislation also ensures that Scotland complies with the European Convention on Human Rights when it comes to the issue of prisoner voting, by making provision for the franchise to be extended to those serving a custodial sentence of 12 months or less.”

https://www.gov.scot/news/right-to-vote-extended/  Only the Tories voted against.