The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

fred246

mollycat wrote: »

How does that work when they don't want it!

Well they would have the choice (again).

paparossco

mollycat wrote: »

100% bang on, saved me typing it

Indy supporters, laughing on the outside, crying with grudge driven rage on the inside

For the record, a complete and utter absence of any "Independence" rhetoric in SNP literature I recieved, just a negative "lock Boris out"message, so any narrative that suggest that the SNP campaign for seperation has been endorsed is a lie.

In anycase, in a turnout of 60%, (where every single person in Scotland who wants it to be a seperate country would have participated surely?), a vote share of 45% for the SNP with most people still voting for NO orientated parties is so far away from a mandate for a 2nd referendum is laughable.


@Mistermeaner....no, people in Scotland won't be "getting on with another referendum"; what you patently fail to understand is that the majority of scottish people dont want one, appreciate the benefits of the union, and are happy with a government (of any colour) that will point blank refuse to allow one.

Despite the BBC's love in with the overexposed Ms Sturgeon and the noticable lack of the NO voting majority voice for balance, independence is further away now than it was a week ago.

Happy days indeed

“The Conservatives polled consistently well across England and most of Wales, reflecting their overall 43% share of the UK vote.”

So no mandate by your argument? Perhaps we need a referendum on having a referendum.. .
Please let's not go around in circles again 'lies, damn lies and statistics'.

molerat

Just shows the childish ignorant level of SNP supporter, I think Nicola is correct in trying to raise education standards in Scotland . One word comments aimed at our elected MP on social media in the local press article : w!!k!r, p!i!k, t!!t. Many posters are "disgusted" that we voted him in.

mollycat

paparossco wrote: »

“The Conservatives polled consistently well across England and most of Wales, reflecting their overall 43% share of the UK vote.”

So no mandate by your argument? Perhaps we need a referendum on having a referendum.. .
Please let's not go around in circles again 'lies, damn lies and statistics'.

Whataboutery raises it's head

The first past the post system is probably the least bad system for electing a UK wide government.

Despite previous criticism of FPTP from the SNP there's not a peep this morning about securing 40+ WM seats on 4% of the national vote whilst the Lib Dems and the Brexit Party get 11 and 0 seats respectively on many multiples of that 4%.

So that's FPTP for forming a UK government.

A YES/NO binary referendum to decide scottish independence is a completely different kettle of fish.

Extrapolate the figures from yesterday and you have many more people voting against the SNP than for it, and that's on a turnout of 60ish%.

No where near the level of support for a future YES vote, assuming that if there is a huge support for Independence then nearly every supporter would have voted yesterday.

So, with respect I think you are trying to muddy the waters with the point you made.

Final point; absolute car crash of a strategy....proclaim your wish for a hung parliament, (which everyone is sick of), in the hope of leveraging a promise of indyref2 from the very obviously unelectable JC.

NO voters in Scotland might actually respect the Independence movement more if they actually tried to argue a positive case for seperation instead of the obvious manipulative opportunistic spin that gets fed to us every election.

Roll on 2021 so we can bang another nail in the coffin.

LHW99

Roll on 2021 so we can bang another nail in the coffin.

I fancy it may need to be more of a stake through the heart
:rotfl:

paparossco

mollycat wrote: »

So that's FPTP for forming a UK government.
A YES/NO binary referendum to decide scottish independence is a completely different kettle of fish.
NO voters in Scotland might actually respect the Independence movement more if they actually tried to argue a positive case for seperation.

I agree. It wasn’t me that raised the topic of the vote share.

elantan

I'm still waiting for the case for the union ..

Shakethedisease

mollycat wrote: »

Extrapolate the figures from yesterday and you have many more people voting against the SNP than for it, and that's on a turnout of 60ish%.

No where near the level of support for a future YES vote, assuming that if there is a huge support for Independence then nearly every supporter would have voted yesterday.

So, with respect I think you are trying to muddy the waters with the point you made.

Clutching at straws. You can't extrapolate the figures out, since about a third of Scottish Labour voters also now support independence. And I can tell you right now, that many left leaning Labour voters, wishing for a more socialist UK Govt and who's mantra against indy is all about solidarilty with the working classes of England. Have completely given up on the UK after last night.. when those same ( traditional ) working class areas voted Boris in. Game over.

Fab night last night for the SNP with confirmation today that an indyref is set for autumn 2020 and indy campaigning starts early next year.( email from MP ). Also from Nicola who'll set out the legal case for one next week. Polls sitting at margin of error levels for independence, surely boosted as Scottish Labour voters finally give up on their own party and any hope of Labour getting into power. 16-17 year old and EU nationals also get the vote in an indy ref.

Roll on 2021 so we can bang another nail in the coffin.

It's 2020, the next Scottish general election will be the one after we vote to get out of Boris's Brexit UK.


Mandates eh.

The_Rainmaker

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It's 2020, the next Scottish general election will be the one after we vote to get out of Boris's Brexit UK.

You said the same bo!!ocks in 2014. Remind me how that went!

Shakethedisease

The_Rainmaker wrote: »

You said the same bo!!ocks in 2014. Remind me how that went!

No. I didn't. I just hoped we might. This time feels a whole lot more promising though. Polls all underestimated the SNP vote last night. One has to ask what else they've been underestimating.

Protests in Glasgow tonight about Boris. That's the socialist voters I was talking about. There are still half a million Labour voters in Scotland. A fair chunk of them will be switching to Yes after this.