The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Moe_The_Bartender

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Everything else and endless media speculations about MP numbers and who will 'allow' this or that when they become PM in Westminster is just noise and build up to it. Sturgeon will never accept that Westminster has a veto anyway, and at the moment she's fully backed up in that by Scots voting the SNP in above all the other parties. It'll be an interesting few months that's for sure.

Scottish Westminster voting intention:

SNP: 40% (+1)
CON: 28% (+7)
LAB: 20% (+1)
LDEM: 11% (-2)

BREX: <1% (-5)

via @PanelbaseMD, 22 Nov

So that's 60% for unionist parties and 40% for independence supporting parties.

Herzlos

So that's 60% for unionist parties and 40% for independence supporting parties.

Brexit is being enacted despite the consequences on a 52/48 split, so I dont think it's fair to complain about a 60/40 split, no?

Moe_The_Bartender

Herzlos wrote: »

Brexit is being enacted despite the consequences on a 52/48 split, so I dont think it's fair to complain about a 60/40 split, no?

Who's complaining? If you read my post correctly, you would see that I was pointing out that those voting for Unionist parties were in the majority - by a long way. Sorry if that doesn’t fit in with the SNP narrative.

Tromking

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Welcome to what being a voter in Scotland feels like every GE and in the Brexit ref. Not getting what you vote for when Westminster MP's decide otherwise. 60 years and counting for Scots. 'Betrayal' eh.

You mean 'some' voters in Scotland obviously?
Most Scots view their representation at Westminster as wholly comparable with their kith and kin in the rest of the UK.
Some may even think that Scotland by population is perhaps over-represented with the amount of MP's Scotland sends south.
Only rabid grievance driven NATS think that Scotland should get its way whatever the circumstance without voting for independence first.
Scotland enjoys a massive Union dividend, most Scots realise that.

Tromking

Just as an aside.
Why do Nats always seem to talk for the whole of Scotland and for all Scots?
It really is a thing.
BTW. Thank you to mollycat, for reminding some of us of that fact. Us English forget sometimes.

Shakethedisease

Moe_The_Bartender wrote: »

Scottish Westminster voting intention:

SNP: 40% (+1)
CON: 28% (+7)
LAB: 20% (+1)
LDEM: 11% (-2)

BREX: <1% (-5)

via @PanelbaseMD, 22 Nov

So that's 60% for unionist parties and 40% for independence supporting parties.

You didn't take in what I said in my post. Scotland out of EU and more importantly, the Single Market means Nicola Sturgeon will go for broke regardless of Westminster MP numbers. The last few polls which asked the independence question are all averaging 50/50 ( even the one you cite above it's 49/51).. and that's while Scotland is still in the EU and there's a ( slight ) chance of a hung Parliament with Corbyn as PM, and no official independence campaign running.

The message the SNP is being hammering home this GE is that it's Scotland's Parliament/Scottish People who will decide. Not those in Westminster. Sturgeon repeats it every single chance she gets and she means it too.

Shakethedisease

Tromking wrote: »

You mean 'some' voters in Scotland obviously?
Most Scots view their representation at Westminster as wholly comparable with their kith and kin in the rest of the UK.
Some may even think that Scotland by population is perhaps over-represented with the amount of MP's Scotland sends south.
Only rabid grievance driven NATS think that Scotland should get its way whatever the circumstance without voting for independence first.
Scotland enjoys a massive Union dividend, most Scots realise that.

No, there will be a vote on independence. This GE won't decide that. Many of us don't really care anymore how many MP's are sent to Westminster from Scotland. We left that behind 5 years ago. Even more are now coming round to the same conclusions due to recent Westminster governance and the obvious and open distain Scottish MP's are treated with. MP's it should be remembered who are there due to 10's of thousands of Scottish voters.. not by magic. Any Scottish 'dividend' is increasingly not worth putting up with due to the sheer amount of political distain for Scottish MPs on display.

Tromking

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No, there will be a vote on independence. This GE won't decide that. Many of us don't really care anymore how many MP's are sent to Westminster from Scotland. We left that behind 5 years ago. Even more are now coming round to the same conclusions due to recent Westminster governance and the obvious and open distain Scottish MP's are treated with. MP's it should be remembered who are there due to 10's of thousands of Scottish voters.. not by magic. Any Scottish 'dividend' is increasingly not worth putting up with due to the sheer amount of political distain for Scottish MPs on display.

By Scottish MP’s you mean SNP MP’s of course?
You Guys can’t help yourselves!

mollycat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No, there will be a vote on independence. This GE won't decide that. Many of us don't really care anymore how many MP's are sent to Westminster from Scotland. We left that behind 5 years ago. Even more are now coming round to the same conclusions due to recent Westminster governance and the obvious and open distain Scottish MP's are treated with. MP's it should be remembered who are there due to 10's of thousands of Scottish voters.. not by magic. Any Scottish 'dividend' is increasingly not worth putting up with due to the sheer amount of political distain for Scottish MPs on display.

Is this the basis on which Scottish people are going to be asked to put their wellbeing, (financial and otherwise) at risk for?

Some imaginary "disdain" perpetrated against our WM representatives?

Jesus wept.

Herzlos

Tromking wrote: »

By Scottish MP’s you mean SNP MP’s of course?
You Guys can’t help yourselves!

You mean the ones we keep electing with a significant majority?


Do you have a problem with us being represented by the representatives we choose?