The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Tromking

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Nah. But on Dec 13th the prospect of 5 more years of Boris should have Scots voters stampeding to Holyrood demanding one on the 15th.

Still kidding yourself that the widespread Scottish antipathy toward English Tories will somehow be enough for Scots to commit economic hari-kari and vote for independence I see.
Are you sure you’re Scottish? I’ve never met a single Scot that stupid.

SpiderLegs

mollycat wrote: »

So the only hope for Indy is opportunistic exploitation of current political situation; which is temporaray.

No attempt, (indeed openly admitting no attempt), to win any logical, ideological, or financial argument that permanent independence will be a good thing.

You nationalist really don't give a stuff about the future wellbeing of Scotland or the Scottish people do you?

The good people of Scotland have an excellent opportunity to determine whether they wish to pursue a strategy of independence in 21 days time.

Shakethedisease

Tromking wrote: »

Still kidding yourself that the widespread Scottish antipathy toward English Tories will somehow be enough for Scots to commit economic hari-kari and vote for independence I see.

The UK is already in the process of committing economic hari-kari. It's antipathy to the current UK hari-kari which is driving No to Yes switchers. Anti-Boris feeling is adding to it. A Hari-kari that can be stopped, mitigated or controlled with independence somehow may seem preferable for a lot of people.. compared to the 100% guarenteed economic bloodbath one with the UK and Boris running the show.

Are you sure you’re Scottish? I’ve never met a single Scot that stupid.

Now, now. Tone the insults down please. Just because you've nothing left to debate with doesn't mean you have to descend to name calling. Just log off, or post elsewhere if you can't think of any good or even merely adequate debating points.

Tromking

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The UK is already in the process of committing economic hari-kari. It's antipathy to the current UK hari-kari which is driving No to Yes switchers. Anti-Boris feeling is adding to it. A Hari-kari that can be stopped, mitigated or controlled with independence somehow may seem preferable for a lot of people.. compared to the 100% guarenteed economic bloodbath one with the UK and Boris running the show.

Scottish independence does not mitigate any perceived negative effects of Brexit, it compounds it massively.
Just like Scotland through its privileged membership of the Union escaped the austerity era (unlike England) the same will be the case if Brexit does turn out to a negative experience.
I’ve not heard about the “100% guaranteed economic bloodbath” before, I suspect your just making **** up as per usual.
Rather than just trumpet the SNP’s hackneyed attack lines against the Tories, how about you just engage your brain on a personal level and think through the blindingly obvious economic downside to leaving a 300 year old political and economic union that as I’ve already said, Scotland does incredibly well from.
Any comment from you about the alleged criminal behaviour of the ‘Beast of Bute House’. As a woman you must be shocked?

Shakethedisease

Tromking wrote: »

Scottish independence does not mitigate any perceived negative effects of Brexit, it compounds it massively.

Not if Scotland stays in the Single Market it won't. UK out of the Single Market, no trade deals = Economic hari-kari. Scotland out of the UK and in the Single Market= Economic sense.

Just like Scotland through its privileged membership of the Union escaped the austerity era (unlike England) the same will be the case if Brexit does turn out to a negative experience.
I’ve not heard about the “100% guaranteed economic bloodbath” before, I suspect your just making **** up as per usual.
Rather than just trumpet the SNP’s hackneyed attack lines against the Tories, how about you just engage your brain on a personal level and think through the blindingly obvious economic downside to leaving a 300 year old political and economic union that as I’ve already said, Scotland does incredibly well from.

The political union of the last 300 years has run it's course. Scottish politics and issues should be run by and dealt with by Scottish based representives. Not dismissed and ignored by 500 odd other MP's.. most of whom rise and leave the chamber as soon as one of the Scottish ones speak. It's over, there's no way back from that.

Economically Scotland would be be in the Single Market. The rUK is going to suffer badly economically by leaving it. Boris in charge and the current Tory adminstration scares me to be honest. And I know I'm not alone in that. There's no limit to how low they'll stoop, lies and misinformation they'll tell and spread in order to get what they want. The media 99% behind them like spinning loudhailers. I wish no part of another 5 years of that thanks very much. I'm also not alone in that either.

Any comment from you about the alleged criminal behaviour of the ‘Beast of Bute House’. As a woman you must be shocked?

No comment on Salmond. The case is live and I prefer to let the jury decide. But it has no bearing on independence debates.

Tromking

Only an economically illiterate Nat would wax lyrical about the benefits of the EU single market where if it left Scotland’s exposure would be minimal and yet gloss over distancing itself from the U.K. internal market where Scotland’s exposure is massive.
The deeply flawed logic of the SNP’s case for independence encapsulated in the mentality of one Nat it has to be said.

Herzlos

Scotland in the single market, England on WTO would work out pretty well for Scotland. We can and have already run ferries directly from Rosyth to mainland Europe, we'll attract a huge number of businesses that want to remain in the single market, we could likely replace most rUK trade with Europe.

Or we can stay in the UK and take the economic destruction, and decades of unnecessary austerity.

Off the top of my head, the estimates are mild Brexit would cost us about 15% of our economy, so being dragged out of the EU is not going to be good for any of the neglected provinces.

mollycat

Herzlos wrote: »

Scotland in the single market, England on WTO would work out pretty well for Scotland. We can and have already run ferries directly from Rosyth to mainland Europe, we'll attract a huge number of businesses that want to remain in the single market, we could likely replace most rUK trade with Europe.

Or we can stay in the UK and take the economic destruction, and decades of unnecessary austerity.

Off the top of my head, the estimates are mild Brexit would cost us about 15% of our economy, so being dragged out of the EU is not going to be good for any of the neglected provinces.

Except Scotland wouldn't be in the single market.

Pro Indy supporters should really stop peddling this misleading rubbish.

Out of the EU and the UK would be the consequence of Independence.

Herzlos

mollycat wrote: »

Except Scotland wouldn't be in the single market.

It might not be in initially, since Brexit would drag us out, but there's nothing stopping us joining the single market again (we're already aligned with it), should the EU27 approve. They seem to be warming to that idea with even Spain saying they wouldn't veto it like initially threatened.


So with Brexit/Independence we've got a choice of definitely leave the single market or maybe leave the single market. Or playing Russian roulette with 6 bullets Vs 1. It's definitely not without risk, but Remaining carries much more risk and much less scope to do anything about it.

Arklight

Is there any chance that England can become a colony of Scotland?

The Queen could remain head of state, as Scots appear to want that. Parliament can be in Edinburgh, and every year England can send 59 red faced blustering Tory MPs up there to rant about immigrants and how the poor are to blame for everything, and then be ignored.