The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Herzlos

So I've just stumbled upon this devolution violating power grab plan from Gove:
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/michael-gove-unveils-plans-to-take-control-of-holyrood-cash-1-4920727

The idea is that instead of letting the Scottish Government spent money in devolved areas, Westminster will hold some back to "spend" as it sees fit. Probably for stuff that suits westminster or on vanity projects so they can slap "Paid for by UK government" on plaques everywhere. Apparently doing this will strengthen the union.

And people honestly try to claim we're treated as equals?

Herzlos

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Our NHS trust last year had to employ translators for 137 different languages and dialects..........

Not that I dont believe you, but do you have any references here or a list of languages?
This link shows that the top 100 languages account for 85% of the world population, and I've not heard of most of them never mind think that many are likely to be encountered in the UK.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers

This NHS list of information in different languages only seems to cover about 14 languages:

https://www.nhs.uk/accessibility/health-information-in-other-languages/

So I'm sceptical that your local unnamed trust needed to hire translators for 137 dialects unless you're counting Mancunian and Liverpudlian as 2 of them. How many actual translators did they put on payroll or is this a register of contractors? I know various government arms hire translators in by the hour.

Not to mention migrants being better for the NHS overall.

mayonnaise

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Our local one. We have a very diverse transitional population. Not just European........

What trust is that, Thrugs?

Dee_Best

Why the denial that interpreters are necessary?

In Leeds companies advertise being able to translate 140 languages; that's without dialects (imagine how different the Black country, Scouse or Scots dialects are to non-English native speakers for example) and I doubt they service the till queues in Asda or the local hand car wash franchises.

Global Voices’ interpreters in Leeds have spent the last decade helping the city’s businesses in all sectors and in over 140 languages.

https://www.globalvoices.co.uk/interpretation-services/leeds/?keyword=%2Binterpretation%20%2Bleeds&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI45-rmYz55QIViLHtCh3c8gqxEAAYASAAEgLrC_D_BwE

So despite the prevarication it's not beyond the realms of possibility that some NHS trusts would have need of a large number of such services.
My local NHS lists such statistics updated on a regular basis too, in GP surgeries as well as in hospitals but you won't find them online.
I've no idea why when they publicise them so much inside their buildings.

This however is off-topic and if you're so interested start a new thread please.

Hasbeen

HammerNyne wrote: »

The sooner Scotland becomes independent and out from under the thumb of England the better,

• Yes, there will be a period of economic uncertainty after independence
• Yes, the SNP will probably split into separate parts
• Yes, someone other than the witch, Nicola Sturgeon will be our first minister at some point post-independence
• Yes, we'll have full control over everything, so you English can stop complaining that you're funding us
• Yes, our NHS isn't doing to well but neither is yours England
• Yes, our Education isn't the best, just like yours England, but we have free education, unlike you(sorry you fund this for us - sarcasm)
• Yes, we can survive without you England, it will be difficult to begin with but within two decades, we can still rise now, and be a nation again
• Yes to Independence, down with the United Kingdom in its current form

So 20 years of heartbreak, pain and suffering to get to where we are at the moment.

Sorry as a higher rate Scottish tax payer ( would not be if I lived in England) that property just over the border in the Scottish borders area is increasingly looking more attractive.

This will get us away from the chaos that will ultimately occur as the snp repeatedly have their "once in a generation referendums"

Good luck!

Herzlos

Dee_Best wrote: »

Why the denial that interpreters are necessary?

In Leeds companies advertise being able to translate 140 languages

No denial, just curiosity.

There is, however, a difference between a translation company offering 140 languages to an English hospital trust handling translation for patients. I might need a document translated to Somalian to tout for business, but I probably wont encounter a native Somali speaker here who doesn't know English.

Herzlos

Hasbeen wrote: »

Sorry as a higher rate Scottish tax payer ( would not be if I lived in England) that property just over the border in the Scottish borders area is increasingly looking more attractive.

As a higher rate tax payer on both, but 41% in Scotland and 40% over the border, I'd need a help of a lot of convincing to move South. I had briefly considered it when the tax rates changed but went off the idea pretty quickly.

Our hypothetical 20 years of pain will leave us much better off.

harz99

Hasbeen wrote: »

So 20 years of heartbreak, pain and suffering to get to where we are at the moment.

Sorry as a higher rate Scottish tax payer ( would not be if I lived in England) that property just over the border in the Scottish borders area is increasingly looking more attractive.

This will get us away from the chaos that will ultimately occur as the snp repeatedly have their "once in a generation referendums"

Good luck!

Did just that 4.5 years back, Galloway to Co. Durham, lowercost of living as well.

Dee_Best

Herzlos wrote: »

No denial, just curiosity.

There is, however, a difference between a translation company offering 140 languages to an English hospital trust handling translation for patients. I might need a document translated to Somalian to tout for business, but I probably wont encounter a native Somali speaker here who doesn't know English.

I can well imagine that in a sheltered Scottish hidey-hole that would be very true.
In English cities it is certainly not so.
You might also like to consider that medical terminology is a little more difficult to grasp than basic English.

Dee_Best

Herzlos wrote: »

As a higher rate tax payer on both, but 41% in Scotland and 40% over the border, I'd need a help of a lot of convincing to move South. I had briefly considered it when the tax rates changed but went off the idea pretty quickly.

Our hypothetical 20 years of pain will leave us much better off.

This is hilarious because you will accept that on zero evidence but refuse point-blank to even consider the same regarding Brexit where many say it won't even take years to see the benefit.