The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Herzlos

Shakethedisease wrote: »

If Brexit doesn't happen or is revoked the SNP have gotten what they wanted. And the last 3 years have opened a fair few eyes regarding Scotland's place in the UK. I guess they'll be campaigning on that.

That's what I was thinking, the SNP would likely campaign in Westminster to revoke A50. If they got that, there'd be no mandate for independence and it'd be killed off for the generation. If they don't get that and we leave the EU anyway, they'd want their (agreed to) referendum on leaving the UK to rejoin the EU.


I don't think they'd want another independence referendum if we weren't leaving the EU. They might since it's been made clearer in recent years how Scotland is barely treated as a 2nd class citizen, but I'm not sure they'd get a Yes result.

penners324

Given Sturgeon's hate filled speech on Saturday, how anyone who isn't a anti English xenophobic secessionist nationalist support her?

Tromking

penners324 wrote: »

Given Sturgeon's hate filled speech on Saturday, how anyone who isn't a anti English xenophobic secessionist nationalist support her?

Does civic nationalism even exist in SNP Scotland anymore?
To think the Nats have the temerity to accuse the Tories of narrow minded populism. How the SNP have diminished Scotland, these are dark days.

elantan

penners324 wrote: »

Given Sturgeon's hate filled speech on Saturday, how anyone who isn't a anti English xenophobic secessionist nationalist support her?

you got a link to that ? or are u just making it up I wonder

elantan

penners324 wrote: »

Given Sturgeon's hate filled speech on Saturday, how anyone who isn't a anti English xenophobic secessionist nationalist support her?

right I watched it


https://youtu.be/Q1V-ty8gAuw


by all means watch it again yourself

now please point out exactly where the hate filled speech is ... be a good poster and prove your point otherwise your just bumping your gums and ah have a feeling that is what your doing .

Herzlos

penners324 wrote: »

Given Sturgeon's hate filled speech on Saturday, how anyone who isn't a anti English xenophobic secessionist nationalist support her?

Because it's all surprisingly common sense?


I'm by no means anti-English, but I'd rather have you guys as friendly neighbours than as overlords.

Tromking

Herzlos wrote: »

Because it's all surprisingly common sense?

I'm by no means anti-English, but I'd rather have you guys as friendly neighbours than as overlords.

You’re going to have to justify the English are our overlords accusation. From my end of the country, Scotland’s voice is loud and proud and if Scots being in receipt of an extra £1600 per head in public spending per annum is an example of English ‘overlordship’ then there’s plenty around down who’d want similar treatment.
It’s funny how a populist grievance narrative can take hold and trump reality.

Herzlos

Tromking wrote: »

You’re going to have to justify the English are our overlords accusation.

They make laws which affect us but we have essentially no say in. Our representatives are completely ignored by Parliament (the Tories have recently taken to walking out when they start speaking) and are held in open contempt by the current government with even the previous Secretary of State for Scotland calling it a region of the UK rather than a country in it's own right, and the last few PM's talking about taking back what devolved control Scotland has.


The Scottish Parliament puts a lot of effort into cushioning it's citizens from Westminster.



Those are real problems unlike the Brexiteer claim that we're being dictated to by Brussels, because at least we have a say in Brussels.



Does that sound like an equal partner?

From my end of the country, Scotland’s voice is loud and proud and if Scots being in receipt of an extra £1600 per head in public spending per annum is an example of English ‘overlordship’ then there’s plenty around down who’d want similar treatment.

Yeah, I can understand you'd see that. Sturgeon is shown a lot complaining but in reality she's completely ignored beyond having a reputation in England for being anti-English.

It’s funny how a populist grievance narrative can take hold and trump reality.

Yeah, imagine wanting to take back control. Crazy, eh?

Moe_The_Bartender

Do we really need to spend a lot of time going over once again why England needs Scotland a lot less than Scotland needs England?

Herzlos

Hopefully not.