The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Tromking

Herzlos wrote: »

I'm trying to read up on this but not getting many results yet. It seems Cameron ruled it out, and no-one in Scotland seemed to like it because of how it was done. I suspect (but can't cite it yet) that it was an offer that sounded good on paper but was impractical for some reason (not just the deficit which we're aware of and OK with).

Have you got any citations for Scotland's reasoning for turning it down?

Here to help.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13411997.snp-has-let-the-cat-out-of-the-bag-on-full-fiscal-powers-claims-mp/

FFA was a manifesto promise by the SNP which was swiftly binned when it became clear that it would create a multi billion pound blackhole in Scotland’s finances.

Enterprise_1701C

elantan wrote: »

I'm not sure if your aware or not ... but that's actually NOT the Edinburgh agreement nice try though... but please feel free to get to the bit where the Edinburgh agreement says once in a generation

It may not be the Edinburgh Agreement, but it is the then leader of the SNP stating that the referendum was a "once in a generation" one.

So can I assume you do not want to take the word of the leader of the SNP? After all, he did go on to deny that he had said it would be once in a generation!

As far as I can see the Edinburgh agreement is purely about the 2014 referendum, so why would it say anything about it being once in a generation. After all, the leader of the SNP had stated as much.

Herzlos

The_Rainmaker wrote: »

Free prescriptions and free parking are a bribe.

Everything is a bribe to some extent. Some of us believe health services are a basic right and people shouldn't be priced out of using them, so I'm happy to pay a bit more to ensure a fairer country.

Do you think that is sustainable in an independent Scotland?

Yup, I'm not worried about it.

Tromking wrote: »

Here to help.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13411997.snp-has-let-the-cat-out-of-the-bag-on-full-fiscal-powers-claims-mp/

FFA was a manifesto promise by the SNP which was swiftly binned when it became clear that it would create a multi billion pound blackhole in Scotland’s finances.

Did you read it?


It's reading as if he's saying doing it overnight would be a disaster, since it'd need a phased approach.
The first paragraph is:

Ahead of the first major debate today on the new Scotland Bill, giving Holyrood more tax powers, the Scottish Liberal Democrats seized on remarks made by Tommy Sheppard, the Nationalist MP for Edinburgh East, who suggested achieving FFA was "a process", that could take at least three or four years to implement; meaning it was unlikely to happen before 2020.

It then goes on to talk about how they are wanting to make steps towards it. There's the usual bashing from a Tory MP too. So I'm not convinced, sorry.

Herzlos

It was a once in a generation vote, at the time. The SNP were re-elected with a manifesto to pursue it again if circumstances changed. Then circumstances changed.

elantan

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

It may not be the Edinburgh Agreement, but it is the then leader of the SNP stating that the referendum was a "once in a generation" one.

So can I assume you do not want to take the word of the leader of the SNP? After all, he did go on to deny that he had said it would be once in a generation!

As far as I can see the Edinburgh agreement is purely about the 2014 referendum, so why would it say anything about it being once in a generation. After all, the leader of the SNP had stated as much.

so that's a no then . thought so ...

the No side told many many lies ... I think Alex can have one as well;)

it's no a very big stick your trying to beat that argument with is it ?

Shakethedisease

My goodness, what a way to boost the start of the SNP campaign. Thank you Boris !

incessantly about independence. Because they wish to distract – they wish to dead cat as the saying goes – from the lamentable failures of the SNP Government in Scotland and he’s entirely right. If this goes on I think the SNP will forfeit all right to manage the NHS in Scotland."

Shakethedisease

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

It may not be the Edinburgh Agreement, but it is the then leader of the SNP stating that the referendum was a "once in a generation" one.
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He said, in his opinion, the first indy ref would be a 'once in a generation opportunity'

He was wrong. I'll give you that.

elantan

Shakethedisease wrote: »

My goodness, what a way to boost the start of the SNP campaign. Thank you Boris !

I just watched that .. oh my.... that's some fighting talk

Herzlos

Shakethedisease wrote: »

My goodness, what a way to boost the start of the SNP campaign. Thank you Boris !

He's made it clear he wants to take control of the Scottish NHS back. Presumably so he can sell it off?
I'm honestly not sure how protected it is from Tory privatization and any US deals.

The_Rainmaker

Herzlos wrote: »

He's made it clear he wants to take control of the Scottish NHS back. Presumably so he can sell it off?

All credibility gone in one sentence.