The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

elantan

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Don't you think Westminster has enough to deal with at the moment? We need to get out of the eu first, get Brexit done. A while after that, when all the remainer forecasts have been proven wrong, then maybe Scotland can have yet another once in a generation referendum. As long as they pay for it. And it would be far more likely for them to get what they want if they allowed the rUK to vote too.

Don't forget you still need to sort out what you will do about a currency as you will need to set up a bank of last resort, you will need to pay back your part of the deficit, you will need to set up a mint unless you can find a way of buying money in, you will need to set up embassies throughout the world as you will no longer have access to UK ones, you will need to set up your own armed forces and your own border force. There are numerous other things that operate in the background that are provided by the UK at the moment and cost a fortune to run, good luck raising that sort of revenue.

Considering over half the Scottish population are on some form of benefits and only a limited number of those are devolved, the bill for benefits alone will grow massively.

For years on end the spend in Scotland has exceeded the take including the oil, austerity is going to bite hard if you get independence.

And yes, the attitude towards Scotland has changed, but that is purely down to people like Sturgeon and Blackford.

Their attitude towards the UK leaves an awful lot to be desired. You can only put up with someone constantly bleating that they are being badly treated for so long. Scotland are being treated with massive favouritism in the cash department, and they bleat that they don't have enough power, despite the fact that they can vote in UK affairs, have interfered in England only affairs, yet do not allow us to vote in Scotland only affairs. As far as I can see Scotland have it a lot better than England, we do not even have our own parliament, and it sticks in the craw that one way or another we had to stump up £414 million to build one for the ungrateful people of Scotland.

you do also realise that when they treat the SNP appallingly in WM they are treating the people of Scotland appallingly, for much as I may not like it the SNP are our elected representatives, the lack of respect shown to Scotland recently is disgraceful

Herzlos

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

You don't throw your child out just because they are expensive to keep.

No but you'd encourage your adult child to move out if they were just being a drain.

Your once in a generation referendum said that you wanted to remain part of the UK.

Based on some dubious claims, like additional powers (evaporated) and remaining in the EU (taken away). Things have materially changed, and we've still been electing SNP representatives where independence is part of their manifesto.

So you could almost call it democratic.

Scotland was offered fiscal autonomy not so long ago, it was turned down. It doesn't take a genius to figure out why.

I'm trying to read up on this but not getting many results yet. It seems Cameron ruled it out, and no-one in Scotland seemed to like it because of how it was done. I suspect (but can't cite it yet) that it was an offer that sounded good on paper but was impractical for some reason (not just the deficit which we're aware of and OK with).

Have you got any citations for Scotland's reasoning for turning it down?

Thrugelmir

elantan wrote: »

you do also realise that when they treat the SNP appallingly in WM they are treating the people of Scotland appallingly, for much as I may not like it the SNP are our elected representatives, the lack of respect shown to Scotland recently is disgraceful

Pot calling the kettle black it seems...........

elantan

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Pot calling the kettle black it seems...........

please by all means prove where SNP MP's have told other MPs to go back home ? where they have woofed at them ? where they all got up and walked out on several occasions when another MP got up to speak ... or are you just up to your old tricks again

The_Rainmaker

baldelectrician wrote: »

The Scottish Parliament is a proportional system

No it's not.

The_Rainmaker

Herzlos wrote: »

That pointless Scottish "government" is why we've got a better NHS than south of the border, free prescriptions, no hospital parking and so on.

Free prescriptions and free parking are a bribe.

As for better?

Audit Scotland's warnings about the financial sustainability of the NHS in Scotland are regular and loud, but is anyone listening?

The growing share of Holyrood's budget spent on health - heading rapidly towards half - can be seen as a threat to other services, though the health secretary presents it as a sign of the government's commitment

Workforce vacancies are on the rise, but in at least one case, efficiency has been taken to an absurd level, where the most senior official is held accountable by himself

NHS in Scotland
£13.4bn
NHS budget 2018/19

42%of Scottish government's total budget

140,881 full-time equivalent staff

£6.9bn staff costs in 2018/19

£1.8bn drug costs in 2017/18

Source: Audit Scotland

Do you think that is sustainable in an independent Scotland?

mollycat

elantan wrote: »

you do also realise that when they treat the SNP appallingly in WM they are treating the people of Scotland appallingly, for much as I may not like it the SNP are our elected representatives, the lack of respect shown to Scotland recently is disgraceful

Mind blowing logic; even if true (WM treating SNP "appalingly") how can 5 million people be vicariously offended in this way?

A real insight into the motivations and workings of the Nationalist mind though; percieved offence enough reason to destroy the very fabric of their current community and the future of their children.

Back on topic; my MP is a pony-tailed, tweed suited nunbskull.
As far as i can see he spends his time behaving as poorly as he can in the HOC and trying to persuade people to vote away their futures whilst campaigning in his constituency.

I don't think he, or any of the other scottish MPs are treated appallingly; I think given the SNP behaviour in the HOC they are treated with remarkable restraint and tolerance by the other parties.

I'd be quite happy, (and again for clarity, NOT offended like a child might be) if they were all given a little less credebility.

zagubov

Dee_Best wrote: »

What a narrow-minded (and hence incorrect) POV.

Scotland (Population approx. 5.5 million) which by majority voted to remain has its own parliament with an ever-increasing amount of devolved power.
That's some "contempt".

London (Population approx. 9 million) also by majority voted to remain.
Their equivalent doesn't wield anywhere near the power in parliament as the Scots do, so London are obviously being held more in contempt than you Scots.

Hey, I'm a Londoner and we're absolutely furious at Brexit!

I voted in the referendum for devolution for Greater London and we won.

Bit of a shame the rest of England didn't join in, but it's not my call.

I know we don't wield the same parliamentary power as Scotland, but I've never met anyone here who'd resent Scotland moving further away from Westminster's grasp.

Come to that if most of England could escape Westminster's grasp, by some federal structure, nobody here's worried. Government needs to be local!

Thrugelmir

elantan wrote: »

please by all means prove where SNP MP's have told other MPs to go back home ? where they have woofed at them ? where they all got up and walked out on several occasions when another MP got up to speak ... or are you just up to your old tricks again

Direct quote from Mr Blackford today.

we have got that insurance policy of being able to have a referendum on independence and making sure that we stay in Europe."

Hardly surprising really.

Big stakes for the SNP's reputation. Promises and deliverance being totally different things.

elantan

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Direct quote from Mr Blackford today.



Hardly surprising really.

Big stakes for the SNP's reputation. Promises and deliverance being totally different things.

and that is the SNP showing their disrespect how ?

you are up to your old tricks you scally wag you we can see u