The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Herzlos

penners324 wrote: »

Best way to get Scottish Independence is it open up that referendum to the whole of the UK.

That's part of the things that switched my view from Remain to Leave - a lot of England don't want us in the union either and we're politically very different. I think an Independent Scotland would be good for everyone: We get the ability to govern ourselves as we want (which is kind of lefty), England gets rid of the political and financial burden of the Scots. Unfortunately it means that England and Wales (Wangland) would be perpetually stuck with a Tory government since they'd have lost 50ish anti-Tory MPs.

Herzlos

Tromking wrote: »

To get an indication of how a slighted rUK (England) would react to an newly independent Scotland, you only have to listen to the average English persons attitude to SNP run Scotland now. The political capital in adopting a hard line approach to Scotland in negotiations would be massive.

So Scotland is already held in disdain? I told you :beer:


Anyway, we fully expect England would be just as hostile towards us when independent as when subjugated but the practicalities of it will kick in and they'll need to reluctantly accept us a trading partner. We'd be more interested in getting a relationship with Europe (which is happy to take us) and then the dynamic would really change. We'd go from being a 5m block in a 55m country to part of a 500m block negotiating with a 50m country. You could continue to hate us but you wouldn't have any of the clout you're used to.


Just like we're already seeing with Brexit, the UK (or Greater England) doesn't have the international presence of the old Empire.

mayonnaise

Tromking wrote: »

To get an indication of how a slighted rUK (England) would react to an newly independent Scotland, you only have to listen to the average English persons attitude to SNP run Scotland now.

And once again, you're confusing attitudes within your English-Nationalist echo chamber with attitudes of the average English person.

baldelectrician

mollycat wrote: »

How will these be paid for?

Government subsidy?

Where will a fictional Scottish government get the money?

See, once you even scratch the surface of any of these madcap ideas it's obvious.......not enough money to educate, to heal the sick, to look after the vulnerable and that's before we address any deficits as a sea faring* nation.

* assuming typo in quoted posters text.

It will come from the Scottish tax payer - who will no longer be funding HS2, Thames Gateway, Crossrail and lots of other 'UK infrastructure' which never gets direct UK funding in Scotland
For example the Scottish Government paid for the Aberdeen bypass, the M8 / Newhouse works, M74 extension out of its own money.

About 1921 the UK revenue stopped showing Scotlands income and spending against the UK whole.
This was before oil etc and it showed over 70% of Scotlands income going to 'imperial services'

From
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-historical-debt/

mayonnaise

Herzlos wrote: »

Anyway, we fully expect England would be just as hostile towards us when independent as when subjugated

Herzlos, please do not draw conclusions about English attitudes towards Scotland based on comments made by an extreme English Nationalist on an internet forum.

Tromking

Herzlos wrote: »

So Scotland is already held in disdain? I told you .

Not really.
You suggested that Scotland politically was held in disdain.
Looking at the Union dividend Scotland receives in comparison to other parts of our Union, it patently isn’t held in disdain in any way that really matters.
Any idea yet on the numbers involved in RN shipbuilding in Scotland?

Tromking

mayonnaise wrote: »

Herzlos, please do not draw conclusions about English attitudes towards Scotland based on comments made by an extreme English Nationalist on an internet forum.

I do like you Mayo, but you are a bit of a troll.

mayonnaise

Tromking wrote: »

I do like you Mayo, but you are a bit of a troll.

I like you too, but honestly, in my daily dealings with English people, I never ever experienced the levels of animosity towards the Scots you describe on here. No trolling intended.

Not to draw any conclusions on the 'average English persons attitude' based on your narrow, echo-chamber cultivated, English Nationalist view is all I can recommend.

Tromking wrote: »

... you only have to listen to the average English persons attitude to SNP run Scotland...

molerat

zagubov wrote: »

The people who voted in the Scottish referendum seem to have trusted that the UK would be clever enough to make a right choice in a UK-wide referendum.

Nats making assumptions about unionists, par for the course

baldelectrician

molerat wrote: »

Nats making assumptions about unionists, par for the course

Unionists also assume that when people do not vote their votes are automatically anti Indy or anti SNP

As I have said before- if people cannot be bothered to vote then they have to suck it up as it were.