The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

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CLAPTON wrote: »

The issue was whether one respects the people holding genuine different political views in the context of UK politiicans.

One can respect an individual and their personal circumstances without agreeing with their political views.

From what you say, the SNP view of other mainstream UK politicians is to equate them to Putin and Kim Youg-un.
Enough said.

Nope. If i recall, the point was about whether or not the SNP should have applauded (against HoC rules BTW, for which they had been told off in the past ) the PM who had failed in his major policy objective in the current administration and who, in their opinion had set in train the removal of Scotland outland from the EU. "Enough said?". No? OK then.......

I respect everyone's right to hold whatever opinion they like! (Even ones that I consider "drivel"!) That does not oblige me to respect either them or their opinion, and certainly wouldn't oblige me to clap when they acknowledge their own failure in a critical area of policy, and feel they have to quit as a result of that failure, like Cameron.

I am not in the SNP. How on Earth can you equate me pointing out how absurd your 'applaud everyone you disagree with' theory is, with "the SNP view"? Even by your standards, that's poor! :rotfl: As I recall, they wished him and his family well, did they not? It's not as if they said they hoped he got knocked down by a bus.

There are many people I have great respect for, some respect for, little respect for and no respect for whatsoever. It is a spectrum, if you like.

President Erdigan has a democratic mandate. So does Putin. If he becomes Presudent of the USA, so will Donald Trump. Applaud these three? If they came to my door, I'd only open it to tell them to eff off.

I wouldn't applaud someone I fundamentally disagree with, no matter how sincerely they hold their views. There are many honestly held views that I think expose the people holding them to nothing but ridicule.

If Corbyn gets gubbed in the Labour Party leadership contest, will you applaud him? If you decided to applaud him, good for you, but it certainly wouldn't oblige everyone else to do it!

WR

TrickyTree83

It's all moot. Scottish independence will never be a good option for Scottish people I'm afraid.

The only benefit would be able to copy Mel Gibson, by donning blue facepaint and screaming 'freedom' as loudly as you can. It's a harsh reality that smaller countries (such as Scotland) won't do as well as larger countries (such as the UK). Especially within the EU.

May has said there will be no indy ref 2. But that Scotland will need to be on-side with the Brexit negotiations for them to proceed, which is about as fair as can be in my view. If Scotland perpetually blocks Brexit then it'll be the tail wagging the dog and I doubt the majority population of the UK would be happy with that situation for very long.

beecher2

elantan wrote: »

Aye Effie Dean's and History woman are some characters ... along with Ian Smart they give unionists a bad name ... and I don't believe all unionists are bad , in fact I reckon most are really nice ... but like everything a few bad apples can spoil so many reputations

And that's where I have some sympathy for people down south trying to make sense of the Scottish political system as they might look at twitter and only see the extremes and think we're all screaming at each other about independence all day long. Others firmly believe that anyone who voted Yes hates the English, and they're never going to be convinced otherwise which is such a shame. They certainly wouldn't get a very balanced view from most media outlets either.

This thread is fairly toxic though, don't know where you get the patience from to keep going with it.

TrickyTree83

Wild_Rover wrote: »

Nope. If i recall, the point was about whether or not the SNP should have applauded (against HoC rules BTW, for which they had been told off in the past ) the PM who had failed in his major policy objective in the current administration and who, in their opinion had set in train the removal of Scotland outland from the EU. "Enough said?". No? OK then.......

I respect everyone's right to hold whatever opinion they like! (Even ones that I consider "drivel"!) That does not oblige me to respect either them or their opinion, and certainly wouldn't oblige me to clap when they acknowledge their own failure in a critical area of policy, and feel they have to quit as a result of that failure, like Cameron.

I am not in the SNP. How on Earth can you equate me pointing out how absurd your 'applaud everyone you disagree with' theory is, with "the SNP view"? Even by your standards, that's poor! :rotfl: As I recall, they wished him and his family well, did they not? It's not as if they said they hoped he got knocked down by a bus.

There are many people I have great respect for, some respect for, little respect for and no respect for whatsoever. It is a spectrum, if you like.

President Erdigan has a democratic mandate. So does Putin. If he becomes Presudent of the USA, so will Donald Trump. Applaud these three? If they came to my door, I'd only open it to tell them to eff off.

I wouldn't applaud someone I fundamentally disagree with, no matter how sincerely they hold their views. There are many honestly held views that I think expose the people holding them to nothing but ridicule.

If Corbyn gets gubbed in the Labour Party leadership contest, will you applaud him? If you decided to applaud him, good for you, but it certainly wouldn't oblige everyone else to do it!

WR

The PM they didn't applaud was actually campaigning alongside the SNP to remain in the EU.

I find it disgusting, I suspect you're in the minority who feel it's not.

.string.

mollycat wrote: »

Hope the bit I've put in bold is directed at the poster and not at Scot's in general.

I'll say it again once more, and will keep saying it; Sturgeon and the SNP do not speak for me nor people who voted NO in our referendum.

Sturgeon's repeated assertation that she acts and speaks in the interest of Scots disgust me.

We are not a nation of whingers with a chip on our shoulders as SNP politicians project us as.

We're happy with our lot in the UK thank you very much!

Well said

zagubov

beecher2 wrote: »

And that's where I have some sympathy for people down south trying to make sense of the Scottish political system as they might look at twitter and only see the extremes and think we're all screaming at each other about independence all day long. Others firmly believe that anyone who voted Yes hates the English, and they're never going to be convinced otherwise which is such a shame. They certainly wouldn't get a very balanced view from most media outlets either.
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I've been devouring the media down here in London on this issue and you've hit the nail bang on the head. People here are being fed what the media want to give them and there's no diversity of views.

CLAPTON

zagubov wrote: »

I've been devouring the media down here in London on this issue and you've hit the nail bang on the head. People here are bing fed what the media want to give them and there's no diversity of views.

I'm surprised as to what you are devouring.
There seems very little coverage of scottish affairs as there doesn't seem much to report.

beecher2

CLAPTON wrote: »

I'm surprised as to what you are devouring.
There seems very little coverage of scottish affairs as there doesn't seem much to report.

How do you know that there isn't much to report if there's very little coverage?

Are you aware of the educational reforms which are being proposed for example? What have you read about land reform proposals, or new welfare powers?

I have read comments on twitter from people who don't know that Scotland has a separate health or law system, let alone understand what's going on here politically.

mollycat

elantan wrote: »

I'm not being any more personal than you are ye cannae accuse people of one thing whilst doing the same yer self

Alot of people that support the SNP feel Nicola makes legitimate comments about Scotlands politics on their behalf ...

Sorry I didn't realise you lived in England ... you have my sympathies being goverened by WM, I truly hope the people living in England gain the strength needed to have their own parliament Iñ stead of relying on WM to rule them ... good luck ... but try not to hate yer Scottish neighbours just because their country chose though a democratic election to have the SNP look after their interests and rule their country

1. I haven't made personal comments, I have given my opinions of the SNP as a collective.

2. Wrong....I live in Dundee.

3. Glad you're happy to have the SNP look after your "interests"; I manage that myself.

4. I think the tone of your post would give our non scottish readers food for thought on the level of "political debate" that goes on up here.

I look forward to the demise of the SNP/Independance movement in due course.

elantan

mollycat wrote: »

1. I haven't made personal comments, I have given my opinions of the SNP as a collective.

2. Wrong....I live in Dundee.

3. Glad you're happy to have the SNP look after your "interests"; I manage that myself.

4. I think the tone of your post would give our non scottish readers food for thought on the level of "political debate" that goes on up here.

I look forward to the demise of the SNP/Independance movement in due course.

1) your comments then include many people I respect ( which happen to be members of the SNP

2) A wee geography lesson for you then, your government is in Edinburgh not London, you may not like the fact you are governed by HR and not WM but you are, admittedly HR doesn't have all the powers it needs at this time to be able to totally govern effectively but it does the best with what it has ... don't worry though indy ref 2 will sort that out ... independence will see Scotland finally being totally governed by the people who democratically voted for it
3) I don't imagine you look after the roads on which you travel ... but hey keep telling yourself you do if that helps you deal with things

4) I imagine residents of other countries will find the debating on this thread rather frustrating, I however havnt asked any of them as I don't know people in real life that read this thread

5) your gonna have to wait an awfy long time ... the call for independence is getting stronger ... even if your keeping yer fingers in yer ears it doesn't change it