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The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.
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I will make the point again, that the constitution is a reserved matter. Only the UK parliament can legislate for a referendum on Scottish independence.
The SNP can, if it likes, have a commitment in its manifesto to hold some kind of national vote on the subject, but it would be a largely meaningless exercise. If it was allowed to take place. I'd guess that some unionista might seek to question the ability of the Holyrood Parliament to spend money on a meaningless exercise and take it to the Supreme Court.
The constitution is a reserved matter. You're right about that. However, the basic right of the Scottish Parliament to stage a referendum without a Sect 30 agreement is completely untested in court. I suspect it will be tested soon enough.. but your assertion and conflation of constitutional matters and the right of the Scottish Govt to consult it's own electorate... is unhelpful. They're two different things.
In actual fact, undisputably there was a referendum held in 2014 right? That in itself sets a 100% solid precedent that Westminster in 2014 recognised that the Scottish Govt, had a right to consult it's own electorate - even on matters such as independence - via a referendum. There's no getting away from it because it happened.
QED. It's been done already and in 2014 Westminster agreed that the Scottish people do indeed have the right to decide their own constitutional future. So the Scottish electorate had that right in 2014, yet in 2019 suddenly they don't ? See you in court to explain WHY and what changed in the 5 years preceding. Because that is exactly what will be asked.
Westminster not wishing to grant a Sect 30 in order to hold a vote doesn't actually mean the Scottish Govt doesn't have the right to do so. See 2014 because the Scottish electorate did so 5 years ago and it's already happened. Westminster said in 2014 Scots do have the right to decide and that was with just 6 MP's at Westminster. Six not 56 ior the 35 now.
Try not to be such a sucker for Daily Mail headlines in order to make your 'points'. It's something you cannot possibly 'know' since it's never been to any court. You shouldn't really be pretending you do. And talk of 'allowing' the elected Scottish Govt/Parliament to ask it's own voters anything.. is exactly why Scotland needs out ASAP. It's not a Union and it's time we all stopped the pretence.It all seems so stupid it makes me want to give up.
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid ?0 -
I dare say if WM decide they wont grant a Section 30 order after being asked for one many more Scots would be mightily peeved, and not just indy people. I wonder if they have the Cahona's for that
Yeah. Peeved might be underselling it a tad. They should expect the same reaction from Scots when a No comes from Theresa or whoever else is in charge. There's no way that's getting sucked up.It all seems so stupid it makes me want to give up.
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid ?0 -
If an organisation has to forbid you from ever leaving, it's not a club, it's a protection racket.There is no honour to be had in not knowing a thing that can be known - Danny Baker0
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If an organisation has to forbid you from ever leaving, it's not a club, it's a protection racket.
Except when the people in the "club" don't want to leave because they know they will have a much better quality of life in the "club"!
Go to any "club"; there are always a small minority of members unhappy with the rules, or who is on the committee, or disgruntled that their ideas don't form the ethos of the club etc, etc.
These grudge driven few don't define the "club", speak on behalf of the "club" or dictate the direction of the "club".....for most members the club moves forward quite happily, despite the negativity and disharmony created by these people.0 -
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Shakethedisease wrote: »Oh god lol. Could you imagine folks here if the EU had not 'allowed' a Brexit vote on the basis of some cherry picked YouGov etc polls.
Yeah. Peeved might be underselling it a tad. They should expect the same reaction from Scots when a No comes from Theresa or whoever else is in charge. There's no way that's getting sucked up.
There you go again, speaking for all Scots when you patently don’t.
Such is your desperation to engender a wider sense of anti-English grievance to all Scots, you over exaggerate as usual.“Britain- A friend to all, beholden to none”. 🇬🇧0 -
The Scottish government has outlined its plans for a deposit return scheme for some plastic drinking containers, cans and glass...............The minister said all retail outlets, regardless of size, would need to comply with the scheme.
Roseanna Cunningham was very quiet on how much these machines cost and was hiding behind some waffle about various ways to finance them. From what I can gather a non compacting version which is about the size of a normal vending machine is £7k or (£9.6k on a lease scheme over 5 years sold as only £36/week) I think a proper RVM (Reverse Vending Machines) cost about £30k.
The small RVM will probably be full in half a day and where do small shops situate them?
Is this another badly thought out and rushed scheme by the Nats?0 -
Hunter_Jaeger wrote: »The Scottish government has outlined its plans for a deposit return scheme for some plastic drinking containers, cans and glass...............The minister said all retail outlets, regardless of size, would need to comply with the scheme.
Roseanna Cunningham was very quiet on how much these machines cost and was hiding behind some waffle about various ways to finance them. From what I can gather a non compacting version which is about the size of a normal vending machine is £7k or (£9.6k on a lease scheme over 5 years sold as only £36/week) I think a proper RVM (Reverse Vending Machines) cost about £30k.
The small RVM will probably be full in half a day and where do small shops situate them?
Is this another badly thought out and rushed scheme by the Nats?
That is utterly crazy.
Do Scots not have recycling points like we have in the UK? Could they not put some there, or are they afraid of them being vandalised?
If that is the case then put them in town halls and community centres, accessible by most people at some time during the week. Or is it that they want to pay lip service to being environmentally friendly without actually having to foot the bill?
This idea would take so much space in some of the shops I know that it would make them unprofitable.What is this life if, full of care, we have no time to stand and stare0 -
Hunter_Jaeger wrote: »Is this another badly thought out and rushed scheme by the Nats?
Similar deposit return schemes operate successfully in several European countries. They probably also had naysayers harping on about size and cost, but somehow they made it work and have recycling rates topping 98-99%.Enterprise_1701C wrote: »That is utterly crazy.
Do Scots not have recycling points like we have in the UK?
Kudos to the Scottish Government for this initiative.Don't blame me, I voted Remain.0 -
mayonnaise wrote: »Such negativity...
Similar deposit return schemes operate successfully in several European countries. They probably also had naysayers harping on about size and cost, but somehow they made it work and have recycling rates topping 98-99%.
You're saying Scotland should look at rUK and take a leaf out of our abysmal recycling record? Now that's utterly crazy.
Kudos to the Scottish Government for this initiative.
The rUK’s recycling rate is not abysmal.“Britain- A friend to all, beholden to none”. 🇬🇧0
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