The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Arklight

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Looks like the moment we've all been waiting for has arrived as the the Kippers head back from the Tory party to the Brexit Party.. .. and by the moment we've all been waiting for. I mean from Nicola Sturgeon.
:T

Yep, in a desperate attempt to hold onto a voter base the other main parties wouldn't touch on their worst day, the Tories have lost them and collapsed anyway.

What an utterly horrible movement the Conservatives are. Here's hoping they collapse to third party status.

Arklight

westernpromise wrote: »

So in the same way as the EU without Britain is still the EU, the UK without Scotland is still the UK, and continues to own everything the UK owns.

There is no "Scottish" oil or gas. It's UK oil and gas and iScotland would be out of the UK.

Meaning there's no free money from England or the North Sea.

Possession is 9/10 of the law and the oil will be in Scottish waters.

Shakethedisease

westernpromise wrote: »

There is no "Scottish" oil or gas. It's UK oil and gas and iScotland would be out of the UK.

Meaning there's no free money from England or the North Sea.

There's no question oil/gas fields in Scottish waters, would revert to Scotland upon independence.



French MP in the Scotsman today telling it like it is.

rope must fast-track an independent Scotland back into fold, says French MP (JEAN-CHRISTOPHE LAGARDE)


Were France to turn her back on this friendship forged with Scotland over the centuries, she would be neglecting her own history.....The European Commission led by Jos! Manuel Barroso made a big mistake in 2014 when it explicitly closed the door to a deeply pro-European people, who have been fully-fledged members of the Community for the past 40 years....

..I called on the French President to express this position very clearly on the future of Scotland and Europe. Emmanuel Macron must not follow in his predecessor’s footsteps: the silence of European leaders on Scotland’s future does a disservice to the European ideal. How can Europe be revived if we refuse to open our arms to one of our continent’s most pro-European peoples?

..I deeply believe that an independent Scotland would have its place in Europe with no conditions and without delay, something of which it cannot be deprived.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/europe-must-fast-track-an-independent-scotland-back-into-fold-says-french-mp-1-4925754

westernpromise

Shakethedisease wrote: »

There's no question oil/gas fields in Scottish waters, would revert to Scotland upon independence.

So we have your personal confidence. That's nice. Now what's the legal position?

Shakethedisease

westernpromise wrote: »

So we have your personal confidence. That's nice. Now what's the legal position?

That the seas round about an independent Scotland wouldn't be English/Welsh/N Irish nor belong to the UK ? Simple enough. The revenues go to Holyrood. Norway has their neighbouring territorial waters and all the oil gas fields within it. Scotland will have the same maritime rules applied.

Is there any reason legally you see that they won't be ? You can't possibly think that Scotland will go independent, but that England/UK will still own the territory of the Scottish coast. All the oil/gas fields in little pockets dotted about ? It's ridiculous.

Anyway, you've spent the last 5 years telling Scots they aren't worth anything anyway. No need to argue about them.

Honey_Badger

Shakethedisease wrote: »

There's no question oil/gas fields in Scottish waters, would revert to Scotland

Possibly, the only problem is parts of Scotland don’t seem to want independence. One in particular are the Shetland Islands.

The day before the Scottish independence referendum in September 2014, Alistair Carmichael, the MP for Orkney and Shetland, suggested that if Shetland were to vote strongly against independence but the Scottish national vote was narrowly in favour, then a discussion would have to begin about Shetland becoming a self-governing Crown dependency outside of independent Scotland, similar to the Isle of Man. He stated that he did not want such circumstances to arise, “and the best way to avoid this was to vote no in the referendum.”

Wouldn’t this mean an independent Scotland losing its most productive and valuable gas and oil fields?

mayonnaise

westernpromise wrote: »

So we have your personal confidence. That's nice. Now what's the legal position?

Probably the same legal position that applies to the current divvying up of the North Sea, based on median lines?

Arklight

Nationalist Smeagols always get very excited about the oil wealth they believe will swell their giros, but they miss a vital point.

There will be no independence.

Shakethedisease

Arklight wrote: »

Nationalist Smeagols always get very excited about the oil wealth they believe will swell their giros, but they miss a vital point.

There will be no independence.

Independence is more likely that at any point since 1707. I admire your confidence, but it's sadly misplaced.


Nicola Sturgeon has had a big wake up call over the last few weeks from her own members and Yes activists. Less attending London Anti-Brexit rallies and more focusing on Scottish independence ones. Far more support for core grassroots, less self id/cybernat tomfoolery in the papers and far far more vocal support when her own MP's become a newspaper story.. instead of dropping them like hot bricks regardless of innocence.

Paul Kavannagh's take on things as they stand is a sublime piece of writing and captures the current mood up here very well ( for those interested in what current SNP infighting etc is about ). Nicola needs to take heed and move away from Anti Brexit and be a bit more Pro indy. Because if she doesn't, someone else will. In my own opinion she's been treading water pretty well. But no one wins independence by being 100% polite about it and asking permission. Facts like this need to be faced. The colorful language and blunt Wings over Scotland/Stu Campbell raising over 50k in a few hours today should tell her all she needs to know.

I refer to the attitude of the SNP hierarchy to the wider Yes movement. The SNP is seriously in danger of making the historic mistake of the Labour party in Scotland, and falling into the trap of managerialism and of taking its support base for granted.

The leadership appears to many on the ground as being far more interested in attempts to placate the impacable beast of a Scottish media which is never going to be its friend, than it is to defend those of us who form the backbone of the movement.

It gives the impression of having forgotten that many – if not most – of us do not vote SNP because we want the SNP to run a devolved administration, or because we want a lot of SNP MPs in the Commons. We vote SNP because we want independence.

https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2019/05/07/some-friendly-advice-to-the-snp-leadership/

elantan

Lesley Riddoch' podcast was quite similar as well. I wonder if she will listen