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The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

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  • Hunter_Jaeger
    Hunter_Jaeger Posts: 232 Forumite
    No you did not.

    You implied it though didn't you! Just another attempt at muddying the waters.

    Mind you your guns are now spiked you can't really start harping on about attendance figures without looking a fool.



    Oh I didn't realise I needed to be a Nat to respond in this thread :rotfl::rotfl:

    Mind you I should have realised that the thread is meant as a nat echo chamber when this was posted.......
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    oh a new poster.
  • zagubov
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    edited 4 May 2019 at 12:49PM
    How is that working?

    Scottish students are being shafted.

    Scottish Universities are capping undergraduate enrollment for Scottish students to increase revenue from RUK and overseas.

    On some courses less than 10% of Scottish applicants will be offered a place.

    Scotland's sending 30% of their school leavers to university (double the rate of 16% they sent back in the 70s).

    Down here in England we've quadrupled our rate from 10% in the 70s up to 40% now.

    These needs are partly being met by the massive expansion of the university sector from about 32 institutions to over 130. Also by changing our definition of a university, so it didn't have to have research degree awarding abilities as long as long as it had over 3000 (then 750) undergraduate students. Now they can be any size as long as 55% of the students are doing degrees. Let's hope they're all equally good at supplying qualifications.

    So, it looks like Scotland's only sending three quarters as many students to university as England, but the students who don't get in can always get a loan and go to university south of the Tweed. Alternatively they can join the OU which seems to be slightly expanding up there and in NI while slightly contracting down here and in Wales, although I don't know if that's an ongoing trend.

    There's a tricky question about how many people need to have degree level qualifications? Scotland's HE progression is 46% because in addition to the 30% it sends to university sends another 16% of its population through higher education via HNDs or HNCs in FE colleges at much lower cost than sending them through degrees that nobody would have been recognised as degrees years ago. Down here we'd have to re-brand those as Foundation degrees to attract students any more.

    As regards the four year degrees in Scotland, it's becoming increasingly necessary down here to add an extra foundation year to compensate for a mismatch between school-leaving qualifications compared with the entry qualifications.

    I wouldn't be using Scotland's HE setup to castigate them, unless it's to compare them with what Northern Ireland are doing, and I definitely would be unhappy to compare the English situation with that one.

    (I never thought my postgraduate project on the differences between the HE systems of Scotland and England that I did over thirty years ago would turn out to be useful, but it seems like today's the day). :)
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  • elantan
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    No you did not.

    You implied it though didn't you! Just another attempt at muddying the waters.

    Mind you your guns are now spiked you can't really start harping on about attendance figures without looking a fool.



    Oh I didn't realise I needed to be a Nat to respond in this thread :rotfl::rotfl:


    ahhh I see you now ...
  • paparossco
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    elantan wrote: »
    theres an indy march tomorrow and a unionist march the following Saturday, should be interesting to compare turnouts and behaviours

    “The Grand Master has called for a big show of support for this public demonstration by British Together and other unionist groups. The Order has assisted with arrangements and will provide stewarding, but this is NOT an Orange event. No colours are to be worn and there will be no bands.”

    Nae bonds, and the Sash my father didn’t wear......
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  • Arklight
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    Thousands of woad stained warriors marched today to defy the will of the Scottish people, in a referendum where they were securely trounced.

    I believe that mischievous imp from Bath retweeted it 700 times, so he's definitely done his bit.
  • elantan
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    Arklight wrote: »
    Thousands of woad stained warriors marched today to defy the will of the Scottish people, in a referendum where they were securely trounced.

    I believe that mischievous imp from Bath retweeted it 700 times, so he's definitely done his bit.


    I'm trying to decide if your bitter or jealous... maybe even a bit of both

    you can always go to the unionist march next weekend ... that might cheer you up
  • Arklight
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    Hands off my bitter.
  • antrobus
    antrobus Posts: 17,386 Forumite
    I will make the point again, that the constitution is a reserved matter. Only the UK parliament can legislate for a referendum on Scottish independence.

    The SNP can, if it likes, have a commitment in its manifesto to hold some kind of national vote on the subject, but it would be a largely meaningless exercise. If it was allowed to take place. I'd guess that some unionista might seek to question the ability of the Holyrood Parliament to spend money on a meaningless exercise and take it to the Supreme Court.
  • elantan
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    I dare say if WM decide they wont grant a Section 30 order after being asked for one many more Scots would be mightily peeved, and not just indy people. I wonder if they have the Cahona's for that
  • mollycat
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    Many, many more Scot's would be extremely peed off if they ever did grant a section 30.

    Like another poster said a few days ago, it's not WM that is stopping a further divisive referendum, it's us, the people who live here....

    21% want one within 2 years; time to put the silly flags and bagpipes away :)
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