The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

elantan wrote: »

yep the wheels are deff much more in motion,

did you not see the interview with Ruth tonight on the BBC news ? it was about her plans for being FMQ

they never fail to disappoint do the BBC lol

No they don't dissapoint Problem is that there is no proper opposition in Holyrood anymore. You've got the SNP and the policy free Anti-Snp parties ( Greens excluded ). They don't have any of their own policies and only exist nowadays in order to oppose SNP ones.


As far as the consititution is concerned Ruth Davidson is all the Anti-Snp parties have left in terms of cards to play. That and brown nosing media coverage.There was more wall to wall 'Davidson returns' coverage yesterday ( lead item on all Scottish news ), and the Spanish elections.. than there was on Sturgeon's conference speech. You get the impression some BBC reporters like James Cook and Nick Eardley are getting embarrased by the whole thing.

Never mind though.. if Ruth was hoping her *mat leave would take her past the worst of the Brexit stuff ( March 29th ). She's been mistaken and has yet to face the very worst of it from an electorate who are more remain now than they were in 2016.

* Mat leave fully deserved, but it was coincidentally well timed. Brexit was set for 29th March.

Rainbowgirl84

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Ooooooooh. Get you. Ok one SCOTTISH thread on the forum. Have you yourself anything to actually contribute to the subject ? At all ? Or do you want to keep feverishly going through my whole 3 other threads spread out over 5 years,, last one 4 years ago. It's a bit strange if you don't mind my pointing it out..

I do stand corrected though about Ruth Davidson. She returns to politics tomorrow and her face is everywhere already talking about being the next First Minister - BBC reporters reverently agreeing. Not a Brexit or Conservative Party question in sight so far. Only the usual 'No to a second indy ref' speil. No changes there then.

Nope, wrong yet again. Here's the title of the first link I gave you that's from 2015.

'Housing is an example of how Scotland makes better use of its powers than Westminster'.

If you are not going to tell the truth expect to be challenged on it...that is contributing, you just can't take it being pointed out and resort to deflection.

Shakethedisease

Rainbowgirl84 wrote: »

Nope, wrong yet again. Here's the title of the first link I gave you that's from 2015.

'Housing is an example of how Scotland makes better use of its powers than Westminster'.

If you are not going to tell the truth expect to be challenged on it...that is contributing, you just can't take it being pointed out and resort to deflection.

Give it a rest will you. It's obvious when Labman starts about me starting a thread on the exact same subject what he's on about.. and it isn't housing or unrelated years old threads. Now, if you have anything further you want to discuss about my past posting record, please use the messenger system provided and I'm happy to chat with you extensively about it.

Otherwise kindly move aside and let us get on with discussing the actual issues in this debate hmmmmm ?

Hunter_Jaeger

Shakethedisease wrote: »

This is the only thread I've ever started on this forum.

Apart from:-

Housing is an example of how Scotland makes better use of its powers than

Doubt on coalition's '500,000 new jobs' claim

My puppy completely ignores the clicker ?

The 'workshy' label is just tabloid spin !! (according to Mr Grayling)

Banks given go-ahead to pay unlimited bonuses

What if a load of Landlords decide to sell ?

Indemnity insurance probs.. any advice ?

Royally Stuffed by the credit crunch.

How 'Sub-prime' will we be ?

Just saying!!

Shakethedisease

Hunter_Jaeger wrote: »

Apart from:-

Housing is an example of how Scotland makes better use of its powers than

Doubt on coalition's '500,000 new jobs' claim

My puppy completely ignores the clicker ?

The 'workshy' label is just tabloid spin !! (according to Mr Grayling)

Banks given go-ahead to pay unlimited bonuses

What if a load of Landlords decide to sell ?

Indemnity insurance probs.. any advice ?

Royally Stuffed by the credit crunch.

How 'Sub-prime' will we be ?

Just saying!!

New account ? And I meant this forum ( the debate area ). The puppy is now 8 years old and snoring her head off lying next to me. Ignoring any more of this stuff now. It's plainly a ruse to shut down the thread.. and I'm hereby giving notice that if that happens - I'll start another one on the exact same subject. Don't test me on it.

Paul Kavanagh on form today. I don't think it's sunk in to the wider Scottish electorate as yet exactly what both Mundell and Davidson's pronouncements over the last few days actually mean. Nail on head fantastic stuff. I wouldn't normally have posted it. But since I was here having to read Hunter Jaeger's brilliant Agatha Christie detective work with a really difficult to get to grips with forum search box - I thought 'why not' !

This is nothing less than a fundamental and unilateral rewriting of the political understanding of Scotland’s constitutional place within the UK. It is, in effect, a constitutional coup and a direct assault upon Scottish democracy. Ruth Davidson and David Mundell have just told us that it doesn’t matter who Scotland votes for..


Until now, it has always been understood that Scotland is willingly and freely a part of the UK, that it remains so subject to the consent of the people of Scotland – with the crucial implication that the people of Scotland have the absolute right to withdraw that consent.

That was the basis upon which the 2014 referendum was fought, it was a point which opponents of independence were eager to agree to. Yet now we discover that the Conservatives have unilaterally decided that it is no longer the case...


...It’s not just Ruth Davidson and David Mundell who are undermining Scottish democracy, they’re being helped along by a Scottish media which is increasingly unfit for purpose.

https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2019/04/30/the-arrogance-and-hubris-that-ends-the-uk/

mayonnaise

oh a new poster.

Enterprise_1701C

You had your independence vote and you voted to remain in the UK. You also knew that there was going to be a referendum on the eu.

It is not our fault that you did not let the rest of the UK vote in your independence referendum. If you had you would most likely be out now.

I suspect that Sturgeon would have the shock of her life if she achieved independence, she so enjoys campaigning for it. I would have voted for you to become independent just to avoid hearing her voice ever again.

I would be quite happy for you to become independent, but it would have to have a condition tied to it. You do not get to use the £Sterling in an official capacity (we don't want you tied to us financially) and you don't get to come begging because you are broke.

Nasqueron

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Simon Jenkins pretty much spot on today. Theresa needs to face facts. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/29/scottish-independence-nicola-sturgeon-snp-united-kingdom?CMP=share_btn_tw

The fact is that there is ONE poll that still showed remain support higher than leave, just quite narrow. This is the problem with taking polls in isolation, 10 polls say 5-12% lead, you ignore them; one poll that says (nearly) what you want to hear, that's the proof. Leave support should be 10+ points up given the Brexit vote and all the continual anti-English rhetoric, alongside Labour being wishy washy over Brexit but they aren't, which says it all.

Shakethedisease

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

You had your independence vote and you voted to remain in the UK. You also knew that there was going to be a referendum on the eu.

How so ? Milliband was ahead in the polls then. Doesn't matter anyway, there's another vote coming soon in Scotland one way or another.

It is not our fault that you did not let the rest of the UK vote in your independence referendum. If you had you would most likely be out now.

I suspect that Sturgeon would have the shock of her life if she achieved independence, she so enjoys campaigning for it. I would have voted for you to become independent just to avoid hearing her voice ever again.

I would be quite happy for you to become independent, but it would have to have a condition tied to it. You do not get to use the £Sterling in an official capacity (we don't want you tied to us financially) and you don't get to come begging because you are broke.

Done ! Because the £ is going to go into total freefall when Scotland leaves and you're still begging the EU for some sort of trade deal. No one will want to touch the £ with a bargepole.

Shakethedisease

Nasqueron wrote: »

The fact is that there is ONE poll that still showed remain support higher than leave, just quite narrow. This is the problem with taking polls in isolation, 10 polls say 5-12% lead, you ignore them; one poll that says (nearly) what you want to hear, that's the proof. Leave support should be 10+ points up given the Brexit vote and all the continual anti-English rhetoric, alongside Labour being wishy washy over Brexit but they aren't, which says it all.

I'm not taking the polls in isolation. I don't think they matter a jot until it gets close to any 'vote'. They're certainly good for winding up folks in here though on occasion and they do provide little snapshots of current opinion.

But we're not governed via polls, we do our deciding via the ballot box. It seems though, that Scotland isn't to be allowed near the ballot box. Now that's a big problem isn't it, if that's what the Scottish electorate voted for at the ballot box. Don't you agree ?

*Scotland’s votes will be subject to a veto from a government elected by the rest of the United Kingdom. What we’re now being told is that even if Scotland votes for pro-independence parties by a massive majority, it will be vetoed by English and Welsh Conservative votes, and by DUP votes.

A big problem indeed for a so called "Union".


* from same article posted above.