The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Rainbowgirl84

Wee Nippy is far from playing a 'blinder'.

This is the reality:-

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-wrestles-strategy-dilemma-14576749

Labsuper

Whilst a SNP MSP McGarry admits she stole money donated to a foodbank charity. I wonder how much money she has taken from Scottish taxpayers since she was caught?

Labsuper

As for Shakey having the temerity to question anyone's intelligence on this thread can anyone remind me why Shakey started a second thread on this topic when one already existed?

Shakethedisease

Brilliant ! As predicted the starting gun on another vote fired. Social media in Scotland has totally exploded with a new Yes campaign.. and the Tories have dropped back to third place in tonights poll ( commissioned by Scotland in Union ).

Westminster voting intention:

SNP 41%

Con 22% (Dropping to 3rd)

Lab 24%

Lib Dems 8%

Other 5%


Sounds like @scotlandinunion's gaffe prone @pamela_nash sent out a poll showing the SNP gaining 16 seats!!!

Seems the SNP have totally discounted any possibility that Theresa will still be about by the end of the year. And therefore are totally discounting any nonsense about section 30's right now.

Re Lidington ruling out a section 30 order for indyref2, Nicola Sturgeon says UKgov is "clinging to power" with "zero authority or credibility" - "I'm not going to spend too much time bothering about the diktats of a govt that I expect will be out of office before too long"

Ouch. :rotfl:


Way I read it so far they're legislating first for a referendum/vote this time then asking for a section 30..The UK Govt will have to take the Scottish Govt to court in order to stop them asking their own Scottish voters to vote. The UK Govt are going to look like absolute plonkers trying to explain that with the EU watching on. The anger to Tories saying No to a second referendum is palpable already. A bit like when George Osborne came up and said No to Scotland using the £. It'll build to a cresdendo if Theresa gets replaced by someone like Boris. My goodness lol.

We all know the real reason anyway. The UK can't afford to lose Scotland. Imagine trying to come to a deal over fishing grounds when Scotland has most of them and is on the way out of the UK. Some French politicians have caught on to this very quickly. Anyone else in the EU with fishing interests will be doing the same shortly.

Jean-Christophe Lagarde‏ Apr 24
Si l’Ecosse d!cide de quitter le Royaume-Uni, elle a toute sa place au sein de l’Union Europ!enne, sans d!lais et sans conditions. La France ne doit pas r!p!ter les erreurs de 2014 et doit ouvrir la porte à nos amis !cossais.

Translated :- If Scotland decides to leave the United Kingdom, it has its full place within the European Union, without delay and without conditions. France should not repeat the errors of 2014 and must open the door to our Scottish friends.


Changed days. :T

ps not responding to posts slagging me off. Is pointless to debate with those who can't post without petty spite.

Honey_Badger

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Translated :- If Scotland decides to leave the United Kingdom, it has its full place within the European Union, without delay and without conditions. France should not repeat the errors of 2014 and must open the door to our Scottish friends.

Jean-Christophe Lagarde whose Tweet you quote is the leader of a small opposition party in the French equivalent of our House of Commons. If you’re going to quote quite triumphantly a tweet, it would pay you to find out who they are before you do so, to see how much weight you should give it.

Tromking

Shakey, I’m not sure posting a poll showing pro-Union parties polling around 60% of the vote is particularly illuminating, especially so when its a Westminster election poll. The SNP gaining an extra 16 seats does not get you independence. Is there a recent poll on Scottish independence voting intention?
Also I’m not sure boasting about the loss of the Scottish fishing trade to the U.K. is a particular cogent argument when you’re advocating detaching Scotland from a Union with whom it does 63% of its trade with.

Enterprise_1701C

Brussels have stated that Scotland would not be given instant membership.

http://belgium.trendolizer.com/2019/04/brussels-rejects-instant-membership-for-scotland-eu-hammer-blow-for-independence-campaign.html

Ian Blackford does not even know the requirements for joining

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-independent-scotland-would-have-to-adopt-euro-after-joining-eu

And I know you don't like the Express, but maybe they are the only ones with the nerve to publish this

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1118830/UK-news-Scotland-independence-vote-Nicola-Sturgeon-SNP-EU-European-Commission-latest

So basically, no special treatment, you still have to adhere to the Prodi Doctrine. You know how intransigent the eu are, you have to stick to THEIR rules, you will have to agree to take the eu, join the erm, give away all your fish, let them dictate your tax system etc etc.

mollycat

Nicola Sturgeon and the Independence argument completely dismantled by Martha Kearney on the BBC Radio 4 "Today" programme this morning, (BBC iPlayer is your friend if you missed it).

Most spectacular of own goals mentioning (so called) "indyref2" earlier this week, as on several fronts, including opinion polls, Scottish independence is exposed as a self indulgent, irrelevant and inappropriate response to the difficulties facing ordinary people at present.

Shakethedisease

Honey_Badger wrote: »

Jean-Christophe Lagarde whose Tweet you quote is the leader of a small opposition party in the French equivalent of our House of Commons. If you’re going to quote quite triumphantly a tweet, it would pay you to find out who they are before you do so, to see how much weight you should give it.

Oh come now. I think we both know just how much weight would've been given to any minor EU figure or politician saying the opposite ? It would've been leading the headlines in every Scottish newspaper this morning. Let's not be coy about that.


And anyway, the truth of the matter is that losing Scotland means the UK losing leverage in any future trade deal with the EU. It's an idea you're going to have to get used to and fast. Any EU offical, minor or major who thinks there's the slightest possibility Scotland is leaving the UK and whose country has a fishing industry... is going to be out and proud about 'welcoming Scotland' with open arms. Expect more of the red carpet roll out especially if Theresa is replaced by Boris.

Shakethedisease

Tromking wrote: »

Shakey, I’m not sure posting a poll showing pro-Union parties polling around 60% of the vote is particularly illuminating, especially so when its a Westminster election poll. The SNP gaining an extra 16 seats does not get you independence. Is there a recent poll on Scottish independence voting intention?
Also I’m not sure boasting about the loss of the Scottish fishing trade to the U.K. is a particular cogent argument when you’re advocating detaching Scotland from a Union with whom it does 63% of its trade with.

1) Independence support has been several % points higher than support for the SNP for quite some time now. I alluded to this several times in my last posts here a few days ago. I can provide quotes if you wish. The SNP aren't moving things along fast enough or radically enough for a proportion of the indy contigent. They'll always vote yes.

2) Canada does loads of trade with the USA yet they are both independent countries. Your argument means nothing I'm afraid unless England is going to shut the border about put 10,000's out of work who depend on that trade ? If you truly are going to do so, then it says exactly why Scotland shouldn't really be in a Union with England anyway. Petty spite like some posts display here, is also never good business practice.