The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

molerat

More "do as I say" and "nothing to do with me" from Blackford
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/17556818.snps-ian-blackford-dismisses-attacks-in-row-over-saudi-arm-sales-as-ludicrous-distraction/

elantan

molerat wrote: »

More "do as I say" and "nothing to do with me" from Blackford
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/17556818.snps-ian-blackford-dismisses-attacks-in-row-over-saudi-arm-sales-as-ludicrous-distraction/

yeah I watched that ... he didn't do himself any favours....

Shakethedisease

Sounds interesting ( below). I suppose she has to say something. Everyone's getting so weary over all the Brexit stuff. We're all tired of the same 'Scotland being ignored' soundbites and Ian Blackford's 'holding position' statements every PMQ's.

Moves need to be made and Nicola's been passive for a while now letting things play out. SNP now in serious in danger of losing core support. However that's something completely different from indy support these days. The SNP promised us a 'say' after we voted Remain. No one cares how that say comes about whether it's via a referendum/GE/Scottish only GE... as long as we get it.

Kieran Andrews‏

NEW: @NicolaSturgeon will make a statement to Holyrood on Wednesday afternoon addressing #indyref2

Not much known about its contents yet but it is titled: Brexit and Scotland’s Future. Scheduled for 30 min statement and an hour of questions.

SNP conference this coming weekend as well.

Arklight

The truth the SNP dare not face is that the Indy ref was Scotland's Brexit referendum. However, whereas Leave the EU squeaked the narrowest win in England, Remain in the UK trounced the Leave the UK vote, in Scotland, by a thumping margin.

Those who voted "Aye" maybe as bitterly opposed as their Brexit loving English cousins, but they will never have their way.

Malthusian

Arklight wrote: »

The truth the SNP dare not face is that the Indy ref was Scotland's Brexit referendum. However, whereas Leave the EU squeaked the narrowest win in England, Remain in the UK trounced the Leave the UK vote, in Scotland, by a thumping margin.

A thumping 55% victory as opposed to an irrelevant 52% victory.

Yes I know the margin is over twice as big for the Scottish referendum. Either way the margin is as significant as you personally want it to be in your own head, as it has no significance outside of it.

Arklight wrote: »

Those who voted "Aye" maybe as bitterly opposed as their Brexit loving English cousins, but they will never have their way.

Unless of course a large swathe of Scottish Remainers leave the UK for the continent, whether out of a desire to continue living the citizen-of-nowhere lifestyle, or economic necessity due to Brexit-induced depression. And consequently Leave The UK becomes a majority in Scotland.

But generally I agree with you. When Scotland voted to remain under London rule they knew that London would make decisions that Scotland doesn't like. That's how being governed works. If your rulers only give you orders that you agree with then they don't rule you.

Arklight

Malthusian wrote: »

A thumping 55% victory as opposed to an irrelevant 52% victory.

Yes I know the margin is over twice as big for the Scottish referendum. Either way the margin is as significant as you personally want it to be in your own head, as it has no significance outside of it.



Unless of course a large swathe of Scottish Remainers leave the UK for the continent, whether out of a desire to continue living the citizen-of-nowhere lifestyle, or economic necessity due to Brexit-induced depression. And consequently Leave The UK becomes a majority in Scotland.

But generally I agree with you. When Scotland voted to remain under London rule they knew that London would make decisions that Scotland doesn't like. That's how being governed works. If your rulers only give you orders that you agree with then they don't rule you.

What a peculiar way to look at statistics.

Indy simply will not happen. The Scots are good at wrangling concessions out of Westminster by threatening but they simply do not actually want it in enough numbers to carry a referendum, or even go through the chaos of forcing through another one.

The likes of Shakey are being used as tools. Salmond is a tool in his own way, and Nicola Sturgeon is a tool as well. In fact, most of the Scottish Nationalists I have met have been tools.

Shakethedisease

Arklight wrote: »

What a peculiar way to look at statistics.

Indy simply will not happen. The Scots are good at wrangling concessions out of Westminster by threatening but they simply do not actually want it in enough numbers to carry a referendum, or even go through the chaos of forcing through another one.

The likes of Shakey are being used as tools. Salmond is a tool in his own way, and Nicola Sturgeon is a tool as well. In fact, most of the Scottish Nationalists I have met have been tools.

I am sorry. But there'll be a vote soon.. no matter what the result of the last one or what the current polling states. It might not be an official indy ref or perhaps the SNP might have to dissolve the current Holyrood parliament in order to provide one. Who cares. But a vote there will be.

For not to do so or at least start to making moves towards it.. means the death of the SNP. Sturgeon has had to sit on her hands for a while due to this Brexit thing dragging on and on. But her party grassroots are starting to desert in impatience for that vote. They'll always vote for indy sure.. but they're beginning to lose faith in the SNP providing the means.

So. Lets hope for a bit more clarity tomorrow. If we're still to be on pause for a while till the Brexit outcome is known. Then at the very least the options should be set out for when the outcome IS known. But again, a vote there WILL be :- because Nicola and the SNP absolutely cannot afford not to have one no matter what the results and polling look like now.

The half-hour statement on Wednesday afternoon will see the first minister "set out a path forward for Scotland amid the ongoing Brexit confusion at Westminster", her spokesman said.He also said Ms Sturgeon would "seek to strike an inclusive tone" in the "detailed and substantive" statement.

She is said to have been given the approval of her Cabinet colleagues, but no further details of what she will say in her statement have so far been released.
Speaking to the media following the Cabinet meeting, Ms Sturgeon's spokesman said she will "explore some of the issues that have arisen as a result of the ongoing Brexit situation and Scotland's constitutional future".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-48014972

Arklight

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I am sorry. But there'll be a vote soon.. no matter what the result of the last one or what the current polling states. It might not be an official indy ref or perhaps the SNP might have to dissolve the current Holyrood parliament in order to provide one. Who cares. But a vote there will be.

For not to do so or at least start to making moves towards it.. means the death of the SNP. Sturgeon has had to sit on her hands for a while due to this Brexit thing dragging on and on. But her party grassroots are starting to desert in impatience for that vote. They'll always vote for indy sure.. but they're beginning to lose faith in the SNP providing the means.

So. Lets hope for a bit more clarity tomorrow. If we're still to be on pause for a while till the Brexit outcome is known. Then at the very least the options should be set out for when the outcome IS known. But again, a vote there WILL be :- because Nicola and the SNP absolutely cannot afford not to have one no matter what the results and polling look like now. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-48014972

Sturgeon shan't be allowed another vote by the government so therefore there won't be one. She can do a Catalunya and commandeer polling stations and wotnot and have some kind of dodgy vote without any national electoral oversight. It'll be boycotted by half the people who are unionists and the people who do try and go to vote No will complain about being intimidated by swivel eyed woad covered fanatics.

No one will recognise the outcome and it will achieve nothing other than make Scotland look very silly indeed.

baldelectrician

Arklight wrote: »

Sturgeon shan't be allowed another vote by the government so therefore there won't be one. She can do a Catalunya and commandeer polling stations and wotnot and have some kind of dodgy vote without any national electoral oversight. It'll be boycotted by half the people who are unionists and the people who do try and go to vote No will complain about being intimidated by swivel eyed woad covered fanatics.

No one will recognise the outcome and it will achieve nothing other than make Scotland look very silly indeed.

I think you underestimate her

She will set a trap for Theresa May and wait.
The First Minister is in it for the long game..... now is NEARLY the time, it's a waiting game.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

For not to do so or at least start to making moves towards it.. means the death of the SNP.

There'll remain a hardcore that will reignite the issue at some point in the future. As another generation will buy the dream and the paradise on offer.