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The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.
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Shakethedisease wrote: »Who cares
I doubt England will be handing out any 1.5k per head to anyone in a few months time. Is far more likely to be bread and medicine handouts instead. So that's something for us all to look forward to eh ?
*Runs at full tilt elbowing hungry union jack wavers out of the way ... straight to the polling station with sharpened pencil to put big cross in Yes box*
Are you really that delusional? I and my family care. We as a family of four are not going to vote to be £6k a year worse off.0 -
Yes, the raging nats are, there is nothing not worth sacrificing for freedom !
Fortunately the majority of Scots can see beyond Eck's and wee nippy's touchy feely (although Eck has allegedly gone too far with that) politics. Shakey is getting more desperate by the day.
Wee nippy and the SNP are tainted by association. She is rattled.0 -
Fortunately the majority of Scots can see beyond Eck's and wee nippy's touchy feely (although Eck has allegedly gone too far with that) politics. Shakey is getting more desperate by the day.
Wee nippy and the SNP are tainted by association. She is rattled.
The latest GERS was published on the 22nd.
https://www.gov.scot/Publications/2018/08/3419
Net Fiscal Balance 2017-18 ....
Including an illustrative geographic share of North Sea revenue, was a deficit of £13.4 billion (7.9% of GDP). For the UK, was a deficit of £39.4 billion (1.9% of GDP).
7.9% of GDP!! Even Greece doesn't run deficits that big anymore.
Does anybody have any clever ideas as to how we can persuade these Scots to get a move on with this second referendum and vote yes? The rest of us are subsidising them to the tune of some £8.5 billion a year. We could do with that money.
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...then why on God's earth have they not got on and organised a second vote by now! If they believe they have a mandate because it was in their manifesto they are not delivering what they promised surely?
We both know the reason....they'll lose once again.
Perhaps you haven't noticed but we remain within the EU at the moment. Despite the level of excitement, bordering on the sexual, by Brexiteers at the idea of a NoDeal Brexit, there remains a possibility the UK will remain in the EU, amd comply with the rules including Freedom of Movement well beyond 2019. Why on earth would the SNP utilise a mandate granted to them when the circumstances to enable them to enact that mandate are not in place?? The SNP are extremely astute. They are (fortunately) not the headless-chicken party aka The Tories Hmmmm.
A proud Scots pencil hovers over their referendum ballot paper and thinks....that English £1.5K, I quite like the things that buys me and my family.
A proud Scot says "Cheers England, we just love your money!!! PS Why don't you get off your knees, and demand a better government for yourselves??? Hey, here's an idea, what about an Independent England??? A truly, TRULY, independent England that can contentedly rule the waves and keep all its lovely lolly to itself???" Sounds absolutely fabulous to me, darling!! :beer:0 -
A proud Scot says "Cheers England, we just love your money!!! PS Why don't you get off your knees, and demand a better government for yourselves??? Hey, here's an idea, what about an Independent England??? A truly, TRULY, independent England that can contentedly rule the waves and keep all its lovely lolly to itself???" Sounds absolutely fabulous to me, darling!! :beer:
Most people in England don't care that Scotland does really well out of its membership of the Union and those that do, probably realise that to keep Scotland in the Union it's the price the UK state has to pay to keep Scotland within. If the nationalist grievance culture has achieved anything in Scotland, its forced the UK to 'splash the cash' to keeps Scots happy. The downside of that for Nationalists, especially for Nationalists like the SNP who dine out on being seen as progressive, is that selling independence that comes with a circa £15BN budget deficit is somewhat problematic.
As an aside, "ruling the waves" was a British Imperialist concept borne out of Empire, the Scots loved the empire by the way and fully embraced it. “Britain- A friend to all, beholden to none”. 🇬🇧0 -
Most people in England don't care that Scotland does really well out of its membership of the Union and those that do, probably realise that to keep Scotland in the Union it's the price the UK state has to pay to keep Scotland within. If the nationalist grievance culture has achieved anything in Scotland, its forced the UK to 'splash the cash' to keeps Scots happy. The downside of that for Nationalists, especially for Nationalists like the SNP who dine out on being seen as progressive, is that selling independence that comes with a circa £15BN budget deficit is somewhat problematic.
As an aside, "ruling the waves" was a British Imperialist concept borne out of Empire, the Scots loved the empire by the way and fully embraced it.
When you say most people in England "don't care" about that Scotland does really well, do you perhaps mean they "don't know"? It seems a tad odd that the people of a country (England) who are forever banging on about "foreign aid" and who voted to "end paying money to Europe" in order to spend £350m per week on its own NHS is happy to continue to subsidise its neighbour so generously to allow the neighbour to have a vastly superior NHS (including free prescriptions) and free university education and baby boxes and to end the punitive bedroom tax and too many other initiatives to mention
What perplexes me, as it must you too I'm sure, is why a proud, proud nation like England renowned for its tremendous fiscal mangement appears to consider it to be fiscally responsible to retain within the union a nation amounting to some 8.3% of the overall population, yet who (allegedly) is responsible for some 33%(approx) of the entire deficit. The mind boggles. Unless .... unless .... hmmmm ..... there are lies, there are damned lies, there are statistics and then there are GERS figures
As to the days of empire, and ruling the waves, granted the Scots did embrace those days. From what I see, though, the difference is we have absolutely no hankering to return and have fully embraced the 21st century and all within. I'm not entirely convinced the same can be said for English leaders who are currently spouting all manner of drivel about Britain being a "proud trading nation" with many references to the "British Commonwealth" thrown in for good measure . If they're expecting people like my cousin (an Australian immigrant) to buy a car from Sunderland as part of the Commonwealth initiative when she buy one from Japan (on her doorstep) at a much cheaper price they are as bonkers as they are arrogant. 0 -
Another one taken in by the SNP propaganda machine.
A superior NHS :rotfl:pull the other one, it is falling apart at the seams. Free car parking and prescriptions are the only superior element.
Waiting 4 weeks to see a GP, not a doctor of choice but any doctor. My friends in England are complaining about waiting 2 weeks to see their chosen doctor. Maternity units being closed and having to travel hundreds of miles to have a baby. No paediatric consultant available in a major regional hospital so any complications means a 2 hour journey to the nearest staffed specialist unit which admits it cannot cope, babies are dying in ambulances en route.
My granddaughter has waited 12 months to get her first maxillo-facial specialist consultation.
And the SNP government response - nothing to do with us - all the fault of the local trust.
Teflon has got nothing on that mob. :mad::mad::mad:0 -
When you say most people in England "don't care" about that Scotland does really well, do you perhaps mean they "don't know"? It seems a tad odd that the people of a country (England) who are forever banging on about "foreign aid" and who voted to "end paying money to Europe" in order to spend £350m per week on its own NHS is happy to continue to subsidise its neighbour so generously to allow the neighbour to have a vastly superior NHS (including free prescriptions) and free university education and baby boxes and to end the punitive bedroom tax and too many other initiatives to mention
What perplexes me, as it must you too I'm sure, is why a proud, proud nation like England renowned for its tremendous fiscal mangement appears to consider it to be fiscally responsible to retain within the union a nation amounting to some 8.3% of the overall population, yet who (allegedly) is responsible for some 33%(approx) of the entire deficit. The mind boggles. Unless .... unless .... hmmmm ..... there are lies, there are damned lies, there are statistics and then there are GERS figures
As to the days of empire, and ruling the waves, granted the Scots did embrace those days. From what I see, though, the difference is we have absolutely no hankering to return and have fully embraced the 21st century and all within. I'm not entirely convinced the same can be said for English leaders who are currently spouting all manner of drivel about Britain being a "proud trading nation" with many references to the "British Commonwealth" thrown in for good measure . If they're expecting people like my cousin (an Australian immigrant) to buy a car from Sunderland as part of the Commonwealth initiative when she buy one from Japan (on her doorstep) at a much cheaper price they are as bonkers as they are arrogant.
There is a general view in England that Scotland gets too much money back from the UK Treasury and its circa £15BN deficit would seem to back up that perception, despite that I stand by my view that not enough voters in the rUK care enough to make it an issue.
I think you need to realise that unlike Scotland there is not a nationalist option for the English to vote for like the SNP, the English vote for UK wide parties. England does not exist as a single stand alone political entity, so why your talking about England and its leaders I don't know.
Like most Scots nationalists when in conversation, you tend to think you represent all Scots, you patently don't.
Most Scots are Unionists and 36% (?) voted to leave the EU.:)
Scotland is free to leave the Union whenever it wants, to make it happen all the SNP have to do is convince enough Scots to vote for it. Simple really.“Britain- A friend to all, beholden to none”. 🇬🇧0 -
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As to the days of empire, and ruling the waves, granted the Scots did embrace those days. From what I see, though, the difference is we have absolutely no hankering to return and have fully embraced the 21st century and all within....
What you really need to 'embrace' is that 7.9% fiscal deficit. Without that (mainly) English annual bung of £8.5bn, austerity plus would be the order of the day.
That's the economics of independence.0
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