The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

LHW99 wrote: »

I understand both devolved administrations have taken this position. However, if the powers are devolved now, they can't be with the EU. If they will be repatriated from the EU then I can't see how they are now actually devolved.

These powers come under the Scotland Act. They are indeed devolved and always have been. However they were/are under EU control under devolved/Scottish law.

Leaving the EU doesn't mean these powers 'come back' to the UK. It means they automatically default to Holyrood via the Scotland Act. Westminster wishes to rewrite the Scotland Act without the Scottish Parliaments consent. As well as keep a veto to impose whatever it likes in certain areas in the future with no say from the Scottish Govt. Not acceptable. Hope this clarifies things for you.

WRT the un-unitedness of the UK (or not) it really would have been sensible IMO to have made a UK wide decalaration of the referendum result instead of dividing it by constituencies / regions, since the effect was always going to be UK-wide, since the 2014 independence referendum went the way it did, and Wales NI have never chosen to look for independence.

Well it's done now I suppose.

Arklight

Now the EU has mandated a plan for NI, which is probably the only workable one, a hard border between the UK and NI, but no border between NI and Ireland and NI to be governed by EU law, what does this mean for Scotland?

Can Scotland too opt out of England's nationalism and remain within the single market?

That would mean a hard border for goods on the Scottish border and most likely many London financial institutions relocating to Edinburgh, at least in name.

If Sturgeon is canny she can absolutely skewer the Tories with this.

cogito

Arklight wrote: »

Now the EU has mandated a plan for NI, which is probably the only workable one, a hard border between the UK and NI, but no border between NI and Ireland and NI to be governed by EU law, what does this mean for Scotland?

Can Scotland too opt out of England's nationalism and remain within the single market?

That would mean a hard border for goods on the Scottish border and most likely many London financial institutions relocating to Edinburgh, at least in name.

If Sturgeon is canny she can absolutely skewer the Tories with this.

Do you know the meaning of the verb 'to mandate'? Look it up.

The EU has put forward a plan which basically amounts to a land grab. Won't happen.

Arklight

cogito wrote: »

Do you know the meaning of the verb 'to mandate'? Look it up.

The EU has put forward a plan which basically amounts to a land grab. Won't happen.

The reason Northern Ireland exists is due to a British land grab. Right wingers like to ignore history don’t they?

Ireland and the EU won’t countenance a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland.

The UK will kowtow,

cogito

And left wingers ignore the history of the past 101 years.

We're talking about the present, not the past.

Arklight

cogito wrote: »

And left wingers ignore the history of the past 101 years.

We're talking about the present, not the past.

Maybe you!!!8217;d like to avail yourself as to the facts of the present?

The same percentage of people who want to remain in Europe in the UK, want to leave the UK in Scotland.

Britain can!!!8217;t have a hard border with Ireland and the EU wont allow an open one under anything other than their terms.

Scotland overwhelmingly wants to remain within the EU. Why will Scotland see Northern Ireland essentially remain within the EU and stay part of the UK when Westminster wags its finger and says that Scotland can!!!8217;t even be part of the EU if it leave the UK?

A segment of the English population voted to put themselves completely at odds with a large section of the peers in England, two of the other countries in the UK, and most of Europe.

You're now getting exactly what you wanted. It!!!8217;s not the return to imperial glory that you expected. It!!!8217;s a great opportunity for Scotland. Truly, after the Indy ref all the SNP had to do was wait for the Tories to screw things up even more. Didn!!!8217;t take long.

gfplux

Arklight wrote: »

Now the EU has mandated a plan for NI, which is probably the only workable one, a hard border between the UK and NI, but no border between NI and Ireland and NI to be governed by EU law, what does this mean for Scotland?

Can Scotland too opt out of England's nationalism and remain within the single market?

That would mean a hard border for goods on the Scottish border and most likely many London financial institutions relocating to Edinburgh, at least in name.

If Sturgeon is canny she can absolutely skewer the Tories with this.

The EU have offered ONE solution in the vacuum created by the UK having NO PLAN.
It might force the UK to come up with a workable alternative while looking over their shoulder at Scotland.

veryintrigued

Whilst no fan of Ryanair - I did smile when hearing the news that they'd finally got bored of the Scottish Governments failed promises to replace APD with ADT and pulled out (almost) completely from Glasgow airport.

Not even Ryanair had the nerve to blame Brexit for the decision - you've guessed it the Scottish Government did!!

I wonder which way those poor 300 workers families will vote next time?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-43209126

Shakethedisease

veryintrigued wrote: »

Whilst no fan of Ryanair - I did smile when hearing the news that they'd finally got bored of the Scottish Governments failed promises to replace APD with ADT and pulled out (almost) completely from Glasgow airport.

Not even Ryanair had the nerve to blame Brexit for the decision - you've guessed it the Scottish Government did!!

Yes they did actually, blame Brexit.

The Irish budget airline announced on Tuesday it is closing its Glasgow International base due in part to uncertainty created by Brexit and also due to expensive air passenger duty.

https://news.sky.com/story/ryanair-to-slash-scottish-routes-11269451

I wonder which way those poor 300 workers families will vote next time?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-43209126

Well it won't be Scottish Greens and Lib Dems then since they refuse to pass any Scottish Budgets which contain APD cuts.

The Scottish Conservatives and Labour joined the SNP in voting to pass the Air Departure Tax Bill, with the Scottish Green and Liberal Democrats voting against...

...The Greens subsequently warned that the party's six MSPs may not deal with ministers when it comes to budget talks next year unless there is rethink on plans to cut the current charges.The minority SNP administration relied on votes from the Greens to pass its Budget for the current financial year.
But Green MSP Andy Wightman said his party could not support legislation with "such weak environmental, economic and social criteria".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-40332210

That's the breaks with minority Governments unfortunately for RyanAir workers. Scottish Greens and Lib Dems have to take some responsibility for this.

elantan

hello all ... any change from last time I was here ?