The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shaka_Zulu

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Salmond is now a private citizen not a politician and can do whatever he likes. You can all watch here.

Absolutely

Shakethedisease

Antrobus. The UK is likely to have to take one of three style deals in the next few months. A Norway, a Canada or a Turkey or else no deal at all. During the 'transition/implementation phase of any of these the UK will stay a defacto 'EU state' as will Scotland.

In fact what you are trying to tell the forum is that transition phase or not that a cliff edge scenario is inevitable due to the UK is no longer in either the EU nor EFTA ? Is this correct ? Are you saying that the UK cannot have a transition phase in the EEA as it is no longer part of the EU or EFTA ?

If you aren't and you're saying that during any transition phase the UK will indeed remain a defacto part of the EU/EEA. Then the same can also be possible, and in fact likely, for an independent Scotland during any transition phase.

If there is no transition phase and the UK goes for the no deal option then Scotland will have nothing to lose by holding a vote and asking for a transition phase should it be a yes vote.

I'm not personalising this debate I prefer to stay on topic discussing the issues ( see above ). However you went to great pains to tell everyone here how you were

I'm not going to let you get away with it.:)

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No, I'm busy tying you up in knots.

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Now could you tell me how it is that a UK that is out of the EU 19 March 2019 can stay part of EEA agreements while trade talks are going on. But that an independent Scotland who incidentally didn't vote to leave the EU at all.. cannot do so for a few years should the need arise ? Thanks.

Shakethedisease

Shaka_Zulu wrote: »

I think that is very debatable.

Alternatively they just don't bother listening to their experts.

May I submit Scottish Police and VAT as an example. Now they are running around begging to be give special dispensation from their VAT payments. Surely it might have been sensible to have the VAT issue sorted before implementation?

Bit of trivia for you. Both Scottish Labour and the Scottish Tories supported merging the Scottish Police. In fact it they both had it as a 2011 manifesto commitment.
Now it might suit them to have sudden amnesia in order to fool the gullible or the uniformed ( see your post ). But folks like me haven't forgotten. All Scottish parties wanted the merger of the police forces and voted for it. Why are you trying to rewrite history about the SNP and what was sensible. Surely they all assumed that the sensible thing was for Westminster to stop charging the one merged police force VAT ? Too obvious do you think ?

Scottish Tory manifesto 2011


May is going to throw the Scottish Tories a bone by getting rid of it and crediting the Tories. But due to Brexit and MP's going off on jollies to referee football matches etc etc. Is probably not going to be enough to boost those quickly flagging polling ratings. Ruth has no referendum at the moment to rant about you see.

Thrugelmir

Shaka_Zulu wrote: »

Absolutely

Someone who has no understanding of the meaning of the word austerity. Sums up politicians these days. Two faced.

No wonder he couldn't get his numbers to add up.

Arklight

He lost his seat to a Tory.

In any case. Alex has spent some of his life at the vanguard of the Indy movement. Proud Scots have rallied under his banner. They have cheered as he has inspired them.

If he doesn't deserve a small glass of fix at breakfast who does? You?

islandannie

Typical Scottish alcoholic drinking at breakfast..
What an example about Scots to the rest of the World.

Shaka_Zulu

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Bit of trivia for you. Both Scottish Labour and the Scottish Tories supported merging the Scottish Police. In fact it they both had it as a 2011 manifesto commitment.

Aye, but it took the Nats to screw it up!

antrobus

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Antrobus. The UK is likely to have to take one of three style deals in the next few months. A Norway, a Canada or a Turkey or else no deal at all. During the 'transition/implementation phase of any of these the UK will stay a defacto 'EU state' as will Scotland. ...

Your opinion on the likely outcome of the Brexit negotiations is noted. But Scotland is not a 'EU state' or any kind of state.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

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In fact what you are trying to tell the forum is that transition phase or not that a cliff edge scenario is inevitable due to the UK is no longer in either the EU nor EFTA ? Is this correct ? Are you saying that the UK cannot have a transition phase in the EEA as it is no longer part of the EU or EFTA ?

The UK has not been part of EFTA since 1972.

I have made no predictions regarding the likely outcome of the Brexit negotiations.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

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If you aren't and you're saying that during any transition phase the UK will indeed remain a defacto part of the EU/EEA. Then the same can also be possible, and in fact likely, for an independent Scotland during any transition phase....

Scotland is not independent.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

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If there is no transition phase and the UK goes for the no deal option then Scotland will have nothing to lose by holding a vote and asking for a transition phase should it be a yes vote.

Previously you were claiming that this 'vote' was supposed to be about independence, but now it's about "asking for a transition phase"? Given that this vote is supposed to be held in 'spring 2019', what would be the point in "asking for a transition phase" if Brexit is already done and dusted?

Shakethedisease wrote: »

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I'm not personalising this debate I prefer to stay on topic discussing the issues ( see above ).

I beg to differ.:)

Shakethedisease wrote: »

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However you went to great pains to tell everyone here how you were and .

That's right. If you, or any body else for that matter, keeps posting nonsense, I may well point out that it is nonsense. Sorry about that.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

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Now could you tell me how it is that a UK that is out of the EU 19 March 2019 can stay part of EEA agreements while trade talks are going on.

If the UK does indeed leave the EU on the 19th March 2019, then obviously it will also leave the EEA. Since under Article 126 only EFTA and EU member states can be part of the EEA.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

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But that an independent Scotland who incidentally didn't vote to leave the EU at all.. cannot do so for a few years should the need arise ? Thanks.

Scotland is not independent. If it ever becomes independent, it can apply to join the EU, It seems as if the application process takes a few years. At least it has done so in the past.

antrobus

islandannie wrote: »

Typical Scottish alcoholic drinking at breakfast..
What an example about Scots to the rest of the World.

Well, the Scots will now get their minimum alcohol pricing. Thanks to the recent Supreme Court ruling. Isn't that supposed to at least help solve the problem?

mayonnaise

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Someone who has no understanding of the meaning of the word austerity. Sums up politicians these days. Two faced.

No wonder he couldn't get his numbers to add up.

Jeez. The guy is having a complimentary glass of bubbly in BA lounge, that's all. What does he need to do to "understand the meaning of the word austerity"?? Bring his own Pot Noodles and can of Irn Bru?
Anyway, it's Laurent-Perrier. You know, the cheap stuff.