The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

TrickyTree83

Shaka_Zulu wrote: »

Unsure how to vote today, here is your tactical voting guide for Unionists

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/814070/scotland-tactical-voting-guide-SNP-face-losing-seats-21-constituencies

"Vote with independence in mind".

So anyone but SNP and Green is fine.

IveSeenTheLight

Shaka_Zulu wrote: »

Unsure how to vote today, here is your tactical voting guide for Unionists

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/814070/scotland-tactical-voting-guide-SNP-face-losing-seats-21-constituencies

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

"Vote with independence in mind".

So anyone but SNP and Green is fine.

You guys seem to be desperate.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Shaka_Zulu wrote: »

The quiet no voters will be out in force.

They will indeed.

However the SNP will still win a sizeable majority of Westminster seats in Scotland and that gives them the triple lock for Indyref2.

1. Election for Holyrood with a manifesto commitment to a second indyref in the event of a material change, specifically mentioning Brexit as such a change.

2. Vote in Scottish parliament requesting a second indyref - passed

3. Election of a majority of Scottish MP's on a manifesto supporting another independence referendum

Democracy will prevail here - when circumstances change, as they did with Brexit, it's time to let the people decide.

Pious_Scot

The last Survation poll for The Daily Record yesterday says:
SNP 39%
Labour 29%
Tories 26%
LibDem 6%

according to the survey, which was carried out in the last 36 hours of the campaign.

It also says:

The poll also suggested a drop in support for independence with 61 per cent of voters saying they would vote No, up from 55 per cent at the time of the 2014 independence referendum.

That all from yesterday's Scotsman.

Even with a majority of seats the SNP will find it difficult to argue effectively* for another indyref on 39% or so of the overall votes cast, them being the only major party in Scotland supporting independence.
With their so-called triple lock or not.

An interesting comment posted around 11am in the comments section at the bottom of that Scotsman page:

I see the SNP bully-boys are sitting outside of the polling stations demanding your poll number and how you are voting, and they are not asking in a nice way !

Same old same old from the SNP then.


* We all know the SNP will argue for independence regardless.
That is what they do.

mayonnaise

MSE requests you give new posters a chance.
Please be especially nice.

TrickyTree83

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

They will indeed.

However the SNP will still win a sizeable majority of Westminster seats in Scotland and that gives them the triple lock for Indyref2.

1. Election for Holyrood with a manifesto commitment to a second indyref in the event of a material change, specifically mentioning Brexit as such a change.

2. Vote in Scottish parliament requesting a second indyref - passed

3. Election of a majority of Scottish MP's on a manifesto supporting another independence referendum

Democracy will prevail here - when circumstances change, as they did with Brexit, it's time to let the people decide.

It's a fabrication, there's no such thing as a "triple lock" on indyref2.

There is however a clear division between unionist and separatist political parties. Cast your vote carefully because a vote for anyone other than the SNP or Greens will be counted as a vote against another independence referendum. The "triple lock" is a meaningless sound bite, they're good at inventing those.

The number of MP's is inconsequential for the independence issue, otherwise independence would have been won in the past already. The vote share is the key metric for independence support, everyone knows this to be true, however it's obvious why some will not admit this.

Pious_Scot

mayonnaise wrote: »

MSE requests you give new posters a chance.
Please be especially nice.

Oh thank you; I have a lovely communication from an official team here confirming the correctness of my presence on these forums in their opinion ............ and since it is after all their forum I observe their rules and conditions.
As should we all.

Pious_Scot

wotsthat wrote: »

Welcome back. Did you forget your username and password during a house move? Or have you got a new PC?

Oh thank you so much.
I wonder though if - after being proven wrong twice in a very short time on another thread - you want to try another argument and even move threads to try to do so for good measure?
Perhaps you might choose somewhere else to avenge your perceived wrongdoings rather than ............ what was the terminolgy used here before? Ah yes - a "flaming spiral" ............... in this thread?
I wish you much joy in achieving your aim but it will not be here, now or with me.

Now perhaps we can allow this thread to return to relevant matters concerning Scotland?

wotsthat

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

It's a fabrication, there's no such thing as a "triple lock" on indyref2.

There is however a clear division between unionist and separatist political parties. Cast your vote carefully because a vote for anyone other than the SNP or Greens will be counted as a vote against another independence referendum. The "triple lock" is a meaningless sound bite, they're good at inventing those.

The number of MP's is inconsequential for the independence issue, otherwise independence would have been won in the past already. The vote share is the key metric for independence support, everyone knows this to be true, however it's obvious why some will not admit this.

It's worth noting the 'triple lock' is referred to in the SNP manifesto. If the SNP gain a majority of seats (which of course they'll do) they'll be able to suggest that there's an explicit (or at least implicit) support for the independence agenda to be progressed by the Scottish government.

If they gain a majority of Westminster seats it's more likely there will be another taxpayer funded referendum post Brexit negotiations whatever the vote share.

If the vote share is sub 40% that will, of course, be conveniently ignored. It has no impact on the chances of another referendum however but does give an indication that, when it happens, Scotland are more likely to vote to stay in the Union.

TrickyTree83

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

You guys seem to be desperate.

It's not desperation...

That was a quote of the SNP strapline during the EU referendum.

Why is it OK for the SNP to use/say that but not others?