The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

TrickyTree83

wotsthat wrote: »

It's worth noting the 'triple lock' is referred to in the SNP manifesto. If the SNP gain a majority of seats (which of course they'll do) they'll be able to suggest that there's an explicit (or at least implicit) support for the independence agenda to be progressed by the Scottish government.

If they gain a majority of Westminster seats it's more likely there will be another taxpayer funded referendum post Brexit negotiations whatever the vote share.

If the vote share is sub 40% that will, of course, be conveniently ignored. It has no impact on the chances of another referendum however but does give an indication that, when it happens, Scotland are more likely to vote to stay in the Union.

The number of MP's returned to Westminster has no impact on the likelihood of another referendum.

They've already done all they can do, whilst they held more seats than they will get this time around, I believe everyone agrees that. So MP numbers falling, vote share still below where it needs to be. No such thing as a triple lock, because it's in the SNP manifesto does not make it so, the "mandate" called into serious question, I'd say the chance of a referendum stands on a knife edge.

TrickyTree83

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

There is an oddly familiar feeling from the posts.

Anyway, back on topic: -
I see the Small to Medium Sized Enterprises are signing a petition


If you are an employer in Scotland you can sign the Business for Scotland Single Market Declaration here.

Business for Scotland is an indy propaganda arm. Pay no heed.

I posted a meme from them before which was complete codswallop, or lies if you prefer as I do.

IveSeenTheLight

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

It's not desperation...

That was a quote of the SNP strapline during the EU referendum.

Why is it OK for the SNP to use/say that but not others?

Did they use the strapline on polling day?
Were they advocating tactical voting on polling day?

As I said, it reeks of desperation in my opinion.:)

TrickyTree83

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Did they use the strapline on polling day?
Were they advocating tactical voting on polling day?

As I said, it reeks of desperation in my opinion.:)

Yes, and yes. It was plastered on the banner of their website.

There was even a speech by Sturgeon to the fishing community of Lossiemouth reported in the media in which she says exactly that.

IveSeenTheLight

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Business for Scotland is an indy propaganda arm. Pay no heed.

I posted a meme from them before which was complete codswallop, or lies if you prefer as I do.

That's your prerogative.
If you are a small to medium business owner in Scotland, you can opt to sign the petition or not.
Are you a business owner in Scotland?

I'll be signing it later

IveSeenTheLight

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Yes, and yes. It was plastered on the banner of their website.

There was even a speech by Sturgeon to the fishing community of Lossiemouth reported in the media in which she says exactly that.

On polling day?????
Id like to see that if you have a link.

wotsthat

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

The number of MP's returned to Westminster has no impact on the likelihood of another referendum.

They've already done all they can do, whilst they held more seats than they will get this time around, I believe everyone agrees that. So MP numbers falling, vote share still below where it needs to be. No such thing as a triple lock, because it's in the SNP manifesto does not make it so, the "mandate" called into serious question, I'd say the chance of a referendum stands on a knife edge.

Thought experiment. Today the SNP suffer a drubbing - they only get 10 Westminster seats. They're humiliated. Embarrassed. Nicola Sturgeon can't even get on Strictly Come Dancing.

Would that have an impact on the chances of another referendum?

What I think you mean is that it shouldn't impact the chances of another referendum but in reality you must know it does.

TrickyTree83

wotsthat wrote: »

Thought experiment. Today the SNP suffer a drubbing - they only get 10 Westminster seats. They're humiliated. Embarrassed. Nicola Sturgeon can't even get on Strictly Come Dancing.

Would that have an impact on the chances of another referendum?

What I think you mean is that it shouldn't impact the chances of another referendum but in reality you must know it does.

No I disagree, using your example and twinning it with what I'm saying.

They could get no MP's whatsoever, but if they managed that at the same time as getting 50% of the vote share then that would imply that there is an appetite for an independence referendum.

The converse (what I've been saying) is equally true. They could get all of the MP's, achieve less than 50% of the vote share and demonstrate that there is not an appetite for another independence referendum.

The number of MP's is of no consequence if you're trying to measure the electorates feelings on independence in a GE that uses FPTP.

TrickyTree83

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

On polling day?????
Id like to see that if you have a link.

It's in a previous post I made.

Conrad

It's worth noting UKIP effectively forced a referendum having never set foot in Westminster, so one can never write them off.


My sense though is the wind is not behind Scots independence, not at all, that ship has sailed I suspect.