The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

wotsthat

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

No I disagree, using your example and twinning it with what I'm saying.

They could get no MP's whatsoever, but if they managed that at the same time as getting 50% of the vote share then that would imply that there is an appetite for an independence referendum.

The converse (what I've been saying) is equally true. They could get all of the MP's, achieve less than 50% of the vote share and demonstrate that there is not an appetite for another independence referendum.

The number of MP's is of no consequence if you're trying to measure the electorates feelings on independence in a GE that uses FPTP.

It's patently of some consequence. If the SNP get 10 seats in Westminster independence is dead & buried. If they get 49 then it isn't regardless of whether the vote share is 51% or 41%.

That's how real life works. Arguing about vote share when the SNP have just won the most seats in Scotland by a country mile (again) is what Generali would've called a beltway issue.

IveSeenTheLight

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

It's in a previous post I made.

Which one?
I saw no link

If it's there, then viewers can see you were justified, if not it was desperate

TrickyTree83

wotsthat wrote: »

It's patently of some consequence. If the SNP get 10 seats in Westminster independence is dead & buried. If they get 49 then it isn't regardless of whether the vote share is 51% or 41%.

That's how real life works. Arguing about vote share when the SNP have just won the most seats in Scotland by a country mile (again) is what Generali would've called a beltway issue.

Not at all. The vote share is key to answering that question, the number of MP's is not. It really is quite simple, the number of MP's is not representative of the number of voters that support that political party, just the number of constituencies in which they gathered more votes than any other party.

When the question of independence splits the political landscape as it does in Scotland with votes for the SNP and Greens who openly advocate for independence then the number of votes those parties command indicates the level of support from the turnout that supports those positions.

That's just the way it is.

TrickyTree83

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Which one?
I saw no link

If it's there, then viewers can see you were justified, if not it was desperate

It's there, search for it.

Search for "vote with independence in mind" and under my username, I'm sure you'll find it.

Failing that use Google, or perhaps an internet archive if they've removed the page now.

wotsthat

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Not at all. The vote share is key to answering that question, the number of MP's is not. It really is quite simple, the number of MP's is not representative of the number of voters that support that political party, just the number of constituencies in which they gathered more votes than any other party.

When the question of independence splits the political landscape as it does in Scotland with votes for the SNP and Greens who openly advocate for independence then the number of votes those parties command indicates the level of support from the turnout that supports those positions.

That's just the way it is.

You and I both suspect the SNP are a single issue party but that's by the by. They can argue, the same as any other party, that winning the most seats gives them a mandate to do x, y or z regardless of the vote share as they promised in the manifesto.

Theresa May will be telling us her majority gives her pretty much carte blanche to do whatever she likes as far as Brexit is concerned. That's an issue which split the country down the middle just a few months ago and the Tories won't have 50% of the vote.

It's a fact. If the SNP get a drubbing independence is dead. If they win a majority of seats it isn't. Not too much of a leap to suggest there's a link between seats and the chances of another referendum.

IveSeenTheLight

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

It's there, search for it.

Search for "vote with independence in mind" and under my username, I'm sure you'll find it.

Failing that use Google, or perhaps an internet archive if they've removed the page now.

Tried that but it failed to show where you linked to electioneering by the SNP on a polling day.
Google failed to show anything either and I'm sure if it were true there would be a record of it.
Never mind, I'm sure this desperate act is hardly going to have reached the masses of the electorate who are able to vote in the Scottish polling stations.

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Not at all. The vote share is key to answering that question, the number of MP's is not. It really is quite simple, the number of MP's is not representative of the number of voters that support that political party, just the number of constituencies in which they gathered more votes than any other party.

When the question of independence splits the political landscape as it does in Scotland with votes for the SNP and Greens who openly advocate for independence then the number of votes those parties command indicates the level of support from the turnout that supports those positions.

That's just the way it is.

But that's not the way it is.
That's your opinion and a few others as well, whilst a number of people have a differing opinion to that of yourself.

The triple lock will be secured and any attempts to block will be wholly undemocratic

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/30/nicola-sturgeon-launches-snp-manifesto-withtriple-lock-second/

molerat

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

..................... the fishing community of Lossiemouth ...................

A long time since it has been that !

Pious_Scot

Originally Posted by Shakethedisease
No it doesn't interest me. Compared to other areas of the UK policing numbers are fine and have been kept static where other areas ( see what May is currently under fire for ) have had to deal with huge cuts. And crime levels - which is the point - are at record lows.

The internal politics and wranglings don't interest me. Just the end service given to the public which seems to be holding up very well comparatively with other police forces around the UK. The same is true of the Scottish NHS, which is currently regarded statistically and via patient satisfaction as currently the best NHS service in the UK.

You always ignore these sorts of stats and figures and this bores me rigid when we're debating something. You also seemed totally unaware of both Scottish Conservative and Labour support of centralising the Scottish Police force <---- Newsflash ! When you're trying to use something as a stick to beat the SNP with, make sure all the other Scottish parties didn't vote for it too. It tends to make you look a little bit silly when carping about it.

Get back to me when you have something interesting to say, or when you and all the others here have managed to chase ISTL off by piling on every single post he makes and all the infantile name calling. Sad !

Re: the highlighted red in the quote above, look back over the last few pages to see just who is being "chased" in this thread?
It's not the nat and/or pro-indy posters being targetted, victimised and reported is it?


Now when you've all done being infantile as Shakey chooses to term it, I see that Catalonia may well achieve independence well before Scotland.

The regional government of Catalonia on Friday will call a referendum on a split from Spain, setting up a renewed confrontation with Madrid, which maintains such a vote is illegal and against the constitution.
Leaders in the northeastern Spanish region will set a date for the vote, a spokesman for regional head Carles Puigdemont said, bringing to a head years of court battles and political clashes with the central government over the independence movement. The vote has been flagged for after the summer.

From Reuters today

molerat

The triple lock is irrelevant with inflation exceeding 2.5%. The SNP know this and are just using the hollow promise as another propaganda led anti conservative scare tactic.

Pious_Scot

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

There is an oddly familiar feeling from the posts.

Why is that, ISTL?
Similar to your ping-pong style is it?
:whistle:


Any way, back on topic:

The Times reports that the SNP are on course to lose a dozen MPs, according to the final Scottish opinion poll of the campaign.

Yes and not long now until polling closes, results are announced and pro-indy supporters start their campaign to explain away losses pretending all is positive.

Now just awaiting the "flaming spiral" attempt from ISTL that he so often says he will not participate in ........... but still posts nonetheless.