The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Sure.

A bad deal which as you keep telling us will happen will mean WTO terms if you're in the EU and completely new negotiations if you're in the EEA. The "middle ground" is not the solution you portray it as. Those negotiations to first separate the union and then the trading arrangements thereafter will impact on Scotland just as much.

IF there's a transitional phase of leaving the EU. Then the whole UK will be on some sort of Norway style deal for a few years. If we leave the EU without any sort of deal at all, Scotland will go for a Norway style transition after a second vote if it's a yes result.

A good deal and the lesser impact is leaving the single market as it is now as part if the UK.

The fact Scotland is a smaller economy means it is more susceptible to these issues than the UK will be. That's reality. Your only way out is to hope for EEA membership and good trade relations with the UK after getting in. Which puts Scotland behind a customs wall, a hard border and a new competitor for the UK to try to steal jobs and investment from. So you'll lose out anyway with your largest trading partner. There's no way out of the union without making Scotland less than it is now and will be as part of the UK. And that's a fact, an uncomfortable one for nationalists since your argument hinges on circumstances being better than the union but even the worst of the predictions for the UK economy are slight in proportion to what Scotland will experience in every situation except the absolute perfect separation. Which you hope for no doubt but won't get, and you know it.

Sturgeon is willing to leave the customs union along with the UK, she's already said so and it was in the proposals put forward at the end of last year. No hard border, no customs wall with rUK... however single market membership still in place.

Let me paint a picture for you. We're at the end of this year and negotiations have stalled on exit bills, Northern Ireland and EU nationals with no end in sight. The right wing media is whipping up a frenzy of 'up yours Delores' style headlines.

What happens next Tricky ?

This GE has taken the focus off Brexit at the moment. But just afterwards it will all turn back to the negotiations. People are getting impatient a year on and nothing has happened as yet.

A_Pict_In_A_Past_Life

Shakethedisease wrote: »

This GE has taken the focus off Brexit at the moment. But just afterwards it will all turn back to the negotiations. People are getting impatient a year on and nothing has happened as yet.

Are they? "Impatient"?
You certainly do mix in different circles because IMHO most people couldn't give a hoot.
Like me they know we're leaving and there some might be getting impatient because they just want out, & the sooner the better.
But most I know just want out. End of. The blether and the recriminations we're not interested in, not helped by it all looking so far more than a bit Jeremy Kyle.


The rest of your post is just your usual distraction guff.
Because you know that Scotland is right enough much more susceptible to economic impact on its own than as a part of the UK; this much is very clearly evident in the poor GDP figures compared to rUK.

The figures underline the slump in the oil and gas sector: for the first calendar year on record North Sea Oil-related revenues were in negative territory – a figure of negative £338m.

http://www.insider.co.uk/news/scotlands-gdp-less-half-uk-10392806
The UK is currently bearing the brunt of this loss.
What happens if Scotland leaves the union? Who will pay then?
There's no magic wand Shakey, despite all your "if" "if"s.

cogito

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Sturgeon is willing to leave the customs union along with the UK, she's already said so and it was in the proposals put forward at the end of last year. No hard border, no customs wall with rUK... however single market membership still in place.

Fantasy land. What makes you think that's even possible?

Shakethedisease

A_Pict_In_A_Past_Life wrote: »

Are they? "Impatient"?
You certainly do mix in different circles because IMHO most people couldn't give a hoot.
Like me they know we're leaving and there some might be getting impatient because they just want out, & the sooner the better.
But most I know just want out. End of. The blether and the recriminations we're not interested in, not helped by it all looking so far more than a bit Jeremy Kyle.


The rest of your post is just your usual distraction guff.
Because you know that Scotland is right enough much more susceptible to economic impact on its own than as a part of the UK; this much is very clearly evident in the poor GDP figures compared to rUK.

http://www.insider.co.uk/news/scotlands-gdp-less-half-uk-10392806
The UK is currently bearing the brunt of this loss.
What happens if Scotland leaves the union? Who will pay then?
There's no magic wand Shakey, despite all your "if" "if"s.

I think folks are losing their nerve over Brexit. It's been left in limbo for far too long hence Corbyn's bounce in the polls. People are starting to think it'll never happen so might as well vote on issues like the NHS and tuition fees instead.

And as for this yawn inducing same old same old

Because you know that Scotland is right enough much more susceptible to economic impact on its own than as a part of the UK; this much is very clearly evident in the poor GDP figures compared to rUK.

I addressed that earlier. There's not many nations in the world allow their neighbouring parliament to run their economy. Yet still cop the blame for poor economic performance. Can you not see this ? Who exactly are you trying to blame for Scotland's poor economic performance ?

Shakethedisease

cogito wrote: »

Fantasy land. What makes you think that's even possible?

What makes you think it's not if Scotland votes for independence ?

Oh and incidentally...

Jeremy Corbyn has said he would open discussions with the SNP about holding an independence referendum if he became Prime Minister.

Dugdale must be holding her head in her hands. And Davidson after telling us all for months that public consent must be evident for another indy ref. Has been tweeting all day about how polls don't matter and it's only the result that counts. She seems a bit flustered and this tweet will be saved and kept for future use.

Ruth Davidson saying polling doesn't count, only result. So why is she insisting only polling can determine referendum, not Scottish parliament ?

Shaka_Zulu

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I think folks are losing their nerve over Brexit.

You couldn't give a stuff about Brexit, whatever pops over the horizon next will just be another rallying call for independence.

Brexit is just a smoke screen for the Nats, you couldn't care either way.

cogito

Shakethedisease wrote: »

What makes you think it's not if Scotland votes for independence ?

So what you're saying is that you're in the customs union which the single market is, that there will be no hard border so that fully loaded lorries can just wander in and out unchecked? How does that work?

kabayiri

I'm in a supposed swing seat, hovering between the Tories and LibDems.

As you'd expect we have been bombarded by electioneering material.

Interestingly, there is *nothing* about Scotland. It's like a forgotten topic.

The focus will move even more towards UK v EU in the coming months and Scottish independence will be squeezed out of the discussion space.

elantan

https://archive.is/tdhVA

I imagine if this is true the nurse in question might get struck off the registrar ...

molerat

The Scottish education system must be failing as the yellow t-shirt brigade were not capable of reading the "No Political Canvassers" notice on the front door this evening.