The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

IveSeenTheLight

cogito wrote: »

What you've missed is that the period for negotiations can be extended if the parties agree.

He included potential extensions to the negotiations

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Yes you've definitely missed something. Brexit talks due to finish Sept 2018 and spend 6 months being ratified and voted on in the EU - March 2019. Sturgeon has always said that this 6 month window ( whenever it occurs if talks are extended etc ), when the full terms of the UK leaving the EU are known and all the other countries are voting on it, so will Scotland. If the terms are clear enough for 27 other countries to vote on it there's no reason why Scotland shouldn't either.

.string.

As far as I know, the Scottish Parliament has not voted to hold a Referendum.

It has voted to seek permission to hold one.

Neither has it given authority to the minority SNP Government to take other Constitutional steps to achieve that aim.

So to obtain the fig leaf of a self-administered mandate, the SNP would have to have passed a motion where the Scottish Parliament gives it that permission.

Ability to have a "consultation". That presumably also needs Scottish Parliament approval, so same difference.

There, I suspect, would be the first legal hurdle. All it needs is a challenge to the courts as to the legality of such shenanigans. Recent experience with Brexit shows what can happen.

.string.

The signs are that Brexit will happen "on time", but there will be a transitional period where the trade deal is negotiated and the degree of access to the single market is sorted, During that time, the UK would retain some access with probably some form of fee involved and also possibly some compromise on free movement and European Law. All tailing off to the new status quo.

All to be negotiated of course.

IveSeenTheLight

.string. wrote: »

As far as I know, the Scottish Parliament has not voted to hold a Referendum.

It has voted to seek permission to hold one.

One step at a time.

Since then the I understand a formal request for permission to hold a referendum and is awaiting the UK governments definitive answer.

Yes or No Theresa May.
No procrastination, about "not right now", set the timeframe with the caveat about Brexit negotiations conclusion and then we can move to the next step

A_Medium_Size_Jock

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

One step at a time.

Since then the I understand a formal request for permission to hold a referendum and is awaiting the UK governments definitive answer.

Yes or No Theresa May.
No procrastination, about "not right now", set the timeframe with the caveat about Brexit negotiations conclusion and then we can move to the next step

And then we can move to the next step if we want to.

IveSeenTheLight

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

And then we can move to the next step if we want to.

Absolutely,
I'm all for the democratic right for the electorate to be respected

A_Medium_Size_Jock

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Absolutely,
I'm all for the democratic right for the electorate to be respected

I will remind you of this when the SNP achieve under 40% of the Scottish vote share in the forthcoming GE on June 8th.
:T

IveSeenTheLight

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

I will remind you of this when the SNP achieve under 40% of the Scottish vote share in the forthcoming GE on June 8th.
:T

Do I need to bring out the cake chart again?
Once again, a General Election is not a binary question on Independence.

In fact to try and make it even more clear

A General Election is not a binary question on Independence

TrickyTree83

June 8th will be used to take the temperature of the electorate with regards to the independence question.

There is no getting away from that.

Whether you think it's right, wrong, inaccurate or whatever.

The reasons why it can and will be used have been trawled over many times. It appears to have gotten to the point where an individual is either in blind denial that it will be used in such a way or the individual is beating their head against a brick wall trying to demonstrate why it will to others. Those who support independence can not and will not accept or concede that June 8th will be a litmus test of independence amongst the electorate. It would be ideological suicide to hitch the wagon to that for them. Unfortunately the rest of the UK and over half of Scotland will see June 8th as a referendum on a new independence referendum.

Squeezing a section 30 through Holyrood by usurping the SGP manifesto pledges may have made the request to Westminster but it will be perfectly acceptable - and right - to deny the request if the outcome on June 8th is as damning as expected. Less than 45% (accounting for margin of error) and the show is over for the time being. Come 2021 I would also expect to see further inroads made into the SNP bloc, possibly a pragmatic leadership of a unionist coalition or support agreement to lock out the nationalists and the death (perhaps temporarily) of the independence question.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

It would appear that the SNP are having some funding problems from big donors.
Is this further evidence of support on the wane?
In the first fortnight following the launch of the SNP's campaign fund in mid March which was meant to raise £1 million in 100 days, 71 days in and just £480,000 has been raised. Will this trend continue?

SNP income from public funds over the last year was £1.36m.
The level of outside donations is far below the SNP’s most prosperous period, when it received £4m between 2011 and 2015 from EuroMillions lottery winners Chris and Colin Weir.
The pair loaned the SNP £1m before the 2016 election, of which £600,000 has been repaid.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15304613.SNP_relying_on_public_funds_as_big_donors_dry_up/