The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Shakethedisease wrote: »

So yes we can stop arguing round in circles. The SNP getting most seats/vote won't be taken as a mandate on independence.. it will be taken as a mandate to fully endorse the Scottish Parliaments current position and wishes. If folks don't like it they can vote for another party as they wish.

To clarify then, you suggest that if the SNP get less than 50% of the vote in the GE on June 8th you will accept that there is currently no mandate for the SNP position & wishes?

IveSeenTheLight

Shakethedisease wrote: »

So yes we can stop arguing round in circles. The SNP getting most seats/vote won't be taken as a mandate on independence.. it will be taken as a mandate to fully endorse the Scottish Parliaments current position and wishes. If folks don't like it they can vote for another party as they wish.

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

To clarify then, you suggest that if the SNP get less than 50% of the vote in the GE on June 8th you will accept that there is currently no mandate for the SNP position & wishes?

Poor understanding of the post above.
I've put in bold for clarity

Most does not mean greater than 50%

A_Medium_Size_Jock

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Poor understanding of the post above.
I've put in bold for clarity

Most does not mean greater than 50%

Poor understanding of what "most" means.
So "most" of a cake does not mean more than 50% of that cake?
That would be according to the SNP definition, obviously.

Meanwhile back in the real world, here is a dictionary definition from the Oxford dictionary:

Greatest in amount or degree.

Dictionary definition from the Cambridge dictionary:

the biggest number or amount of; more than anything or anyone else:

IveSeenTheLight

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Poor understanding of what "most" means.
So "most" of a cake does not mean more than 50% of that cake?
That would be according to the SNP definition, obviously.
:

How many parties are standing?

In Scotland there will be: -

SNP
Conservatives
Labour
Lib Dems
Greens
UKIP
Independents
Scotland's Independence Referendum Party
Social Democratic Party Scotland
Scottish Christian Party
Independent Sovereign Democratic Britain Party
Something New
Women's Equality Party

That's 13 potential different slices of cake.
The SNP will have most (greatest in amount or degree) of the cake

I'm glad we can reach agreement on this matter

A_Medium_Size_Jock

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

How many parties are standing?

In Scotland there will be: -

SNP
Conservatives
Labour
Lib Dems
Greens
UKIP
Independents
Scotland's Independence Referendum Party
Social Democratic Party Scotland
Scottish Christian Party
Independent Sovereign Democratic Britain Party
Something New
Women's Equality Party

That's 13 potential different slices of cake.
The SNP will have most (greatest in amount or degree) of the cake

I'm glad we can reach agreement on this matter

There is however only one cake.
Each slice of cake could be infinitesimally small, it makes no difference.

MOST of the cake remains the biggest amount of that cake.
The biggest amount being somewhere over half.

There, so pleased to have cleared that up for you.
:T

IveSeenTheLight

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

There is however only one cake.
Each slice of cake could be infinitesimally small, it makes no difference.

MOST of the cake remains the biggest amount of that cake.
The biggest amount being somewhere over half.

There, so pleased to have cleared that up for you.
:T

You like a show of hands.

Of the 13 different slices, hands up who has the most?
(SNP hands shoot up)

Kezia Dugdale has made it very clear with the Councillors, Labour will not be giving the Conservatives any of their cake.

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In addition, we are talking about a FPTP system, therefore the slices will be shared by those holding seats

Hypothetically, this is how the Scottish cake may look like following the GE on June 08th


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TrickyTree83

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

You like a show of hands.

Of the 13 different slices, hands up who has the most?
(SNP hands shoot up)

Kezia Dugdale has made it very clear with the Councillors, Labour will not be giving the Conservatives any of their cake.

[edit]
In addition, we are talking about a FPTP system, therefore the slices will be shared by those holding seats

Hypothetically, this is how the Scottish cake may look like following the GE on June 08th


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The FPTP system as I'm sure you're aware disappears votes cast in constituencies where the vote was not with the winning candidate.

That is/would be a deliberate misrepresentation of the level of support for the SNP, particularly on the topic of independence.

IveSeenTheLight

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

The FPTP system as I'm sure you're aware disappears votes cast in constituencies where the vote was not with the winning candidate.

That is/would be a deliberate misrepresentation of the level of support for the SNP, particularly on the topic of independence.

This is potentially an accurate representation of the Scottish MP's being voted for in Westminster at this General Election.
Obviously actual seat numbers will not be known until June 09th

TrickyTree83

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

This is potentially an accurate representation of the Scottish MP's being voted for in Westminster.
Obviously actual seat numbers will not be known until June 09th

I think the SNP will end up with less than that example.

IveSeenTheLight

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I think the SNP will end up with less than that example.

What do you think the split will be?