The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Aren't the EU making NI central to their negotiations ? NI should have a seat at the table. So should Wales so should Scotland. Why do you think they shouldn't ? You've never explained why they shouldn't especially given how profoundly as in NI's case the decision might affect them going forward and given they didn't vote for it either.

Why shouldn't the devolved parliaments have a say ? That's what they were promised by leave campaigns last year. What's changed ? Your thoughts appreciated.

The UK is the EU member.

Westminster speaks for all of the UK.

Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and England make the UK.

It's as simple as that. The devolved administrations have had their say already in the pre-article 50 talks, looks like the SNP wasted that opportunity due to their never ending grudge, no surprises there. Only one devolved administration was particularly vocal in their demands. Not requests or polite suggestions, demands. Only one is kicking up a fuss thinking they're more than they are, your lot. You talk about representation of devolved administrations looking out for the interests of this, that and the other and you completely ignore the lack of devolved representation for the largest member of the UK. Only Scotland matters for you, only Scotland matters for the SNP, the rest of us can jog on, right?

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

More like Conservative supporting newspaper posts story about the SNP lying and cognito spends three pages bumping his gums about the SNP lying.. then Conservative supporting newspaper posts story which states the SNP were probably not lying. Now you're all flailing about trying not to admit it. Tiresome but predictable.

Fishermen = bargaining chip. Exactly what the SNP said and a Conservative supporting newspaper now reporting the same.

Show me where they have said that fishing will be used as a bargaining chip. Not opinions, not conjecture, show me where they've said it's policy or a statement from a minister. I recall seeing multiple statements saying that fishing will return to Holyrood despite your/SNP propaganda to the contrary.

Shakethedisease

cogito wrote: »

Having a say and sitting at the conference table are two totally different things. Can you not see that? No, obviously.

So why don't any of the devolved nations have a seat at the UK conference table ?

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

The UK is the EU member.

Westminster speaks for all of the UK.

Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and England make the UK.

It's as simple as that. The devolved administrations have had their say already in the pre-article 50 talks, looks like the SNP wasted that opportunity due to their never ending grudge, no surprises there. Only one devolved administration was particularly vocal in their demands. Not requests or polite suggestions, demands. Only one is kicking up a fuss thinking they're more than they are, your lot. You talk about representation of devolved administrations looking out for the interests of this, that and the other and you completely ignore the lack of devolved representation for the largest member of the UK. Only Scotland matters for you, only Scotland matters for the SNP, the rest of us can jog on, right?

None of the devolved nations got a say in the pre-article 50 talks. None of them even knew when Article 50 was going to be triggered. And in fact found out it was about to be via BBC news. None of them are going to be involved in UK negotiations. May didn't even want Westminster to have a say and went to court to stop it. In Thornberry's words, you're talking b*****ks.

What kind of United Kingdom of England, Scotland, Wales and NI is this supposed to be ?

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Show me where they have said that fishing will be used as a bargaining chip. Not opinions, not conjecture, show me where they've said it's policy or a statement from a minister. I recall seeing multiple statements saying that fishing will return to Holyrood despite your/SNP propaganda to the contrary.

Am not showing you anything, it's an article in the same newpaper which said that the SNP were lying. Now they're reporting that fishermen are not happy with the lack of clarity in the Conservative manifesto.

Why are the Tories refusing to comment about their own manifesto instead of just clarifying whether it's going to be 12 or 200 miles they're talking about ?

Care to share why you think this might be so Tricky, cognito ?

Yah_Boo_Sux

Shakethedisease wrote: »

So why don't any of the devolved nations have a seat at the UK conference table ?

*sigh*
Again?
Really?
Because ...............

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

...... they're part of the UK. None of the other devolved administrations or city/region mayors or business leaders will be round the table either. What's your point? Nicola just wants something more to moan and shout about. It's very transparent these days.

Yah_Boo_Sux

Shakethedisease wrote: »

None of the devolved nations got a say in the pre-article 50 talks. None of them even knew when Article 50 was going to be triggered. And in fact found out it was about to be via BBC news. None of them are going to be involved in UK negotiations. May didn't even want Westminster to have a say and went to court to stop it. In Thornberry's words, you're talking b*****ks.

What kind of United Kingdom of England, Scotland, Wales and NI is this supposed to be ?

One democratically governed?
See the post above.


Show me which of the 27 remaining EU countries are getting a say in Brexit talks?
You see, the head of government speaks for the whole UK just as the designated negotiator supposedly speaks for the whole EU in negotiations following Article 50 being put forward.

Think of it as akin to a small, two-seat table & chairs. It is not appropriate for large, extended families.

Shaka_Zulu

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Why are the Tories refusing to comment about their own manifesto instead of just clarifying whether it's going to be 12 or 200 miles they're talking about ?

For the same reason they are not commenting on the right to remain.

One holds ones cards as close to your chest before they need to be played.

Quite simple.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

None of the devolved nations got a say in the pre-article 50 talks. None of them even knew when Article 50 was going to be triggered. And in fact found out it was about to be via BBC news. None of them are going to be involved in UK negotiations. May didn't even want Westminster to have a say and went to court to stop it. In Thornberry's words, you're talking b*****ks.

What kind of United Kingdom of England, Scotland, Wales and NI is this supposed to be ?

So this never happened?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-38670128

In January, pre-article 50, allegedly!

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Am not showing you anything, it's an article in the same newpaper which said that the SNP were lying. Now they're reporting that fishermen are not happy with the lack of clarity in the Conservative manifesto.

Why are the Tories refusing to comment about their own manifesto instead of just clarifying whether it's going to be 12 or 200 miles they're talking about ?

Care to share why you think this might be so Tricky, cognito ?

So because the Conservatives said nothing about fishing in their manifesto means that it's now a certainty that they're bargaining away fishing rights? Is that what you're saying?

Or could it be that it's just not in the manifesto since the minister for Scotland has repeatedly said that the powers will return to Holyrood?