The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

cogito

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Yes but not when their own party leader ( Dugdale ) and HQ expressly forbid it. Which they did. It's too close to a GE and they gifted the SNP a fab 'Vote Labour, get Tory' soundbite for the next few weeks.

And then you vote Tory and end up with SNP and Labour.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-39973655

Cuts both ways.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Theresa May makes it crystal clear that Nicola Sturgeon will not take part in EU Brexit negotiations.

Ms Sturgeon has urged Scots to vote for the SNP on 8 June, arguing that this would allow her to press Mrs May for a key role in the negotiations with Brussels.

I will be negotiating as the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
“We will continue to talk to and work with the Scottish Government as we do with the other devolved administrations, but sitting around that negotiating table, the choice for people on June 8th is very clear – it’s either me or Jeremy Corbyn.”

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/theresa-may-will-no-place-scotland-brexit-talks/

Shakethedisease

cogito wrote: »

And then you vote Tory and end up with SNP and Labour.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-39973655

Cuts both ways.

Am sure it does. But for the fact Labour councillors were elected on not going into coalitions with anyone who stood an an 'austerity' ticket. Kezia was very clear about that in the run up to the locals.

Anyway, you'll be so pleased to hear that I finally managed to open a Telegraph page. And it does look like what the SNP were saying was right about that letter you were on about, since even Farage was spitting blood about 12 miles instead of 200 miles yesterday. Fishermen also seem pretty upset about the Tories overall 'vagueness' on this.

Theresa May could waive rights to 95 per cent of British waters after Brexit, fishermen fear

Fishermen fear Theresa May could waive the rights to almost 95 per cent of British waters after failing to make any solid promises over sovereignty of the seas in the Tory manifesto.
A desire to take back control of Britain’s waters was a constant theme for Leave campaigners ahead of last year's EU referendum.
They believe Britain has legal rights to all fish within 200 miles of the coast, but the manifesto leaves open the possibility that only 12 miles of water will be protected after Brexit.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/19/theresa-may-could-waive-rights-95-per-cent-british-waters-brexit/


The Tories are indeed going to sell the fishermen out again as a Brexit bargaining chip.

The Conservatives declined to say yesterday how much water would be protected, saying the details would form part of the Brexit negotiations.

Shakethedisease

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Theresa May makes it crystal clear that Nicola Sturgeon will not take part in EU Brexit negotiations.
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/theresa-may-will-no-place-scotland-brexit-talks/

Is this news to anyone at all ? And at the end of the day only proves how much Scotland is valued as a current part of the UK. What kind of message do you think this conveys to ordinary Scots voters that they have no place being in UK talks do you think ?

Because it does say Scotland, not SNP in that headline after all.

kabayiri

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Is this news to anyone at all ? And at the end of the day only proves how much Scotland is valued as a current part of the UK. What kind of message do you think this conveys to ordinary Scots voters that they have no place being in UK talks do you think ?

Because it does say Scotland, not SNP in that headline after all.

You spend inordinate amounts of time talking down the relationship between Scotland and the rest of the UK.

After a while, it seeps into the public you know.

Isn't that the point of a separatist agenda? To claim that the current way is never going to work.

You either buy into the union or you don't, but at least accept that your position influences how others view you.

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

You spend inordinate amounts of time talking down the relationship between Scotland and the rest of the UK.

After a while, it seeps into the public you know.

Isn't that the point of a separatist agenda? To claim that the current way is never going to work.

You either buy into the union or you don't, but at least accept that your position influences how others view you.

I'm not talking about how people view me, the SNP or anyone who's already pro-indy.

But for others who aren't 100% sure on either independence or Brexit seeing headlines saying 'Scotland has no place etc etc ' like this is hardly selling the benefits of staying in the UK to them is it ? You're focusing too much effort on already convinced 'separatists' when it's the waverers, businesses and other trade sectors you need to convince come another vote on the matter.

Repeatedly telling voters, businesses and trading sectors, that Scotland doesn't have any say or place in UK matters ? Kind of seeps into the public you know. Folks like AMSJ spreading headlines like this one far and wide are only doing Sturgeon's work for her. But you're all too blinded by the SNP ( already convinced ) and pro indy voters ( already convinced ) to see what you're doing.

Carry on though.

Theresa May: There will be no place for Scotland at Brexit talks

Theresa May: There will be no place for Scotland at Brexit talks

Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/theresa-may-will-no-place-scotland-brexi

Theresa May: There will be no place for Scotland at Brexit talks

Theresa May: There will be no place for Scotland at Brexit talks

cogito

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Theresa May makes it crystal clear that Nicola Sturgeon will not take part in EU Brexit negotiations.
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/theresa-may-will-no-place-scotland-brexit-talks/

I can't imagine why Sturgeon would think that she should have a seat in the negotiations any more than London's Lord Mayor. She would only be going to make trouble anyway.

cogito

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Repeatedly telling voters, businesses and trading sectors, that Scotland doesn't have any say or place in UK matters ? Kind of seeps into the public you know.

We all know who it is who's spreading lies. When we hear repeatedly from you things like this, we know exactly where it's coming from and it isn't 'Westminster'. It comes directly from the SNP because they have no economic case which works for Scotland so they lie, lie and lie again about the hated Westminster. It's the Goebbels technique.

kabayiri

cogito wrote: »

I can't imagine why Sturgeon would think that she should have a seat in the negotiations any more than London's Lord Mayor. She would only be going to make trouble anyway.

Arguably, Sadiq Khan has more to lose.

Sturgeon already has a job.

She should try it sometime.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

cogito wrote: »

I can't imagine why Sturgeon would think that she should have a seat in the negotiations any more than London's Lord Mayor. She would only be going to make trouble anyway.

London alone has a population approximately 50% larger than Scotland.
Yet Shakey here would have you believe that Scotland's wishes should be represented in Brexit negotiations more ................... perfect sense, that.
Some just cannot or will not understand that Scotland is just as much a part of the UK.
See:

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Is this news to anyone at all ? And at the end of the day only proves how much Scotland is valued as a current part of the UK. What kind of message do you think this conveys to ordinary Scots voters that they have no place being in UK talks do you think ?

Because it does say Scotland, not SNP in that headline after all.

Well Shakey, the message conveyed is that we must negotiate Brexit as one entity with a population of almost sixty million souls.
Not one which prioritises the desires of minority over those of a majority.