The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

cogito

Shakethedisease wrote: »

string can we just get this straight once and for all. As far as I, and 1000's of others in Scotland are concerned the Scottish Parliament has already gained public consent. With it they voted through a bill seeking a second indy ref. It's done, over with, finished, on May's desk awaiting an official response. Theresa can say No now, or she can wait until after June 8th. It makes no difference whatsoever.

Pushing vote share or some vague form of 'public consent' as justification to say No is obviously what's in play here as we can see from Tricky's posts among others. But will the Scottish Parliament accept as justification ? No, they won't. Then what are you going to do ?

According to what you were saying earlier today, Sturgeon has got all the authority she needs to hold a referendum now so doesn't need the UK government's permission. What is she waiting for?

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

string can we just get this straight once and for all. As far as I, and 1000's of others in Scotland are concerned the Scottish Parliament has already gained public consent. With it they voted through a bill seeking a second indy ref. It's done, over with, finished, on May's desk, awaiting an official response. Theresa can say No now, or she can wait until after June 8th. It makes no difference whatsoever.

Pushing vote share or some vague form of 'public consent' as justification to say No is obviously what's in play here, as we can see from Tricky's posts among others. But will the Scottish Parliament accept as justification ? No, they won't. Then what are you going to do ?

So get this straight., Shakey.

Theresa May has not said "No" she has said "Not Now". I know the SNP wants to have a nice juicy "No" and run whingeing to Santa Claus claiming "denial of Human Rights" or some such twaddle but you won't get that fig leaf to play with.

kabayiri

Shaka_Zulu wrote: »

Well we will see in the GE whether you have your solidly committed 45%.

I for one think you will be lucky to get 35% solidly committed.

We will wait and see though.

I'm going with 37.75% solidly committed.

I figure that going to 2 decimal places makes my estimate sound a lot more considered and professional.

kabayiri

cogito wrote: »

According to what you were saying earlier today, Sturgeon has got all the authority she needs to hold a referendum now so doesn't need the UK government's permission. What is she waiting for?

I'm guessing, 60% in the polls ?

Oh wait, that was last month wasn't it.

Okay, hows about ... "8 out of 10 nats who expressed a preference"?

Ah no, wait, that sounds too much like the Whisker's ad.

She's probably waiting for an opportunity to cause maximum irritation to the 'evil Westminster'.

.string.

kabayiri wrote: »

I'm going with 37.75% solidly committed.

I figure that going to 2 decimal places makes my estimate sound a lot more considered and professional.

Your precision is legendary - most impressed.

That's almost as much, as a percentage of something, as the 40% of the Scottish Electorate that voted Remain in the Brexit Referendum!

IveSeenTheLight

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

It's not a fabrication.

It's how it is, sorry. The fabrication is you and others attempting to say that people expressing a will against independence in this vote should be ignored. They won't be and that's just tough.

It is a fabrication concocted to ignore the democratically voted for will of the devolved parliament and duly elected MSP's of Holyrood.

Thats the truth.

IveSeenTheLight

Appeal_Roaster wrote: »

On this occasion those Scottish MSPs were not voting for the people of Scotland though.
Even the SNP have said to " BBC Radio 5 Live’s Pienaar’s Politics that they have also set a “test” of polls showing at least 60% support for independence for more than a year."
(That would be what is called a majority, something it seems you cannot grasp.)
Widely reported.
Now with none of your usual bull, show us where the SNP have had polls showing 60% for a year?

Are you stuck in some pre-Brexit time warp?
The 60% was before there was a significant and fundamental change.
A change that was the significant base the no campaigners based their scaremongering on.

This is 2017, we've moved on past 2014, 2015 & 2016

TrickyTree83

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

It is a fabrication concocted to ignore the democratically voted for will of the devolved parliament and duly elected MSP's of Holyrood.

Thats the truth.

No.

It's using the same precedent that you use when you feel you can ignore the result of 2014, to use the same argument against you "things change in a democracy".

If the Scottish electorate by majority share reject pro-independence parties, then there can be no appetite for what you seek. Simples.

Shakethedisease

cogito wrote: »

According to what you were saying earlier today, Sturgeon has got all the authority she needs to hold a referendum now so doesn't need the UK government's permission. What is she waiting for?

A really bad Brexit.

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

So get this straight., Shakey.

Theresa May has not said "No" she has said "Not Now". I know the SNP wants to have a nice juicy "No" and run whingeing to Santa Claus claiming "denial of Human Rights" or some such twaddle but you won't get that fig leaf to play with.

We all want clarity from our strong and stable PM. And she needs to give the Scottish Govt a straight answer, vague wavy hands stuff about public consent and when Brexit is 'played out' isn't enough clarity for anyone.